Extended video of encounter with Black Panthers in PA
04 Nov 2008
The shortened version of the story was on earlier but Fox News has updated with an extended clip that shows a University of PA Student who asked one of the Black Panthers that was holding a night stick and is the one who called police. He took video with his cell phone.
Voter intimidation? You decide…I did find it interesting that the one Black Panther member who did have the authority to be there claimed that he didn’t know anything about anyone having a night stick when he was standing right next to the guy earlier…Here’s the video from earlier:
In Montana a different problem has been reported…Manure…
It’s the political thugocracy at its finest.
November 4th, 2008 at 7:22 pmThis appears to be more of the original video from the college student:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yd_5SlP8IpQ
November 4th, 2008 at 7:26 pmIt’s been suggested that one of the Black Panther members is this man but I don’t think so, the shorter man in the video does not appear to have any tattoos on his face.
November 4th, 2008 at 7:29 pmThis is the statement listed on their website:
http://www.newblackpanther.com/
November 4th, 2008 at 7:47 pmIn speaking of voting intimidation…..
Guards assigned to protect Ohio secretary of state after death threats
Read More Here:
http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081104/NEWS09/811040245
Also:
Barack Obama election night speech to be behind bullet proof glass.
Read More Here:
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/toby_harnden/blog/2008/11/04/barack_obama_election_night_speech_to_be_behind_bullet_proof_glass
November 4th, 2008 at 7:51 pmConsidering what was stated in the interview with the leader of that local Black Panther group, it’s clear that he does not support Obama or even voting:
On whites: “I’m about the total destruction of white people. I’m about the total liberation of black people. I hate white people. I hate my enemy. . . .”
* On Jews: “I don’t care how much they try to promote the Jewish Holocaust. The African people have suffered a hell of a cost. . . . ”
* On Barack Obama and voting: “He’s a puppet on a string. I don’t support no black man running for white politics. I will not vote for who will be the next slavemaster.” Besides, he added, Obama is “a Negro who doesn’t even support reparations for black people in America.”
November 4th, 2008 at 7:54 pmblack panthers = kkk
November 4th, 2008 at 8:04 pmYes your correct Lisa.
To add to that, this organization known as the New Black Panther party have totally different view points than the orginal Black Panther Party.
The orginal Black Panthers with Huey Newton had different view points etc. At any rate here is their website:
http://www.blackpanther.org
They also have a statement listed on their website. Here is an excerpt:
“In response from numerous requests from individual’s seeking information on the “New Black Panthers,” the Dr. Huey P. Newton Foundation issues this public statement to correct the distorted record being made in the media by a small band of African Americans calling themselves the New Black Panthers. As guardian of the true history of the Black Panther Party, the Foundation, which includes former leading members of the Party, denounces this group’s exploitation of the Party’s name and history. Failing to find its own legitimacy in the black community, this band would graft the Party’s name upon itself, which we condemn.
Firstly, the people in the New Black Panthers were never members of the Black Panther Party and have no legitimate claim on the Party’s name. On the contrary, they would steal the names and pretend to walk in the footsteps of the Party’s true heroes, such as Black Panther founder Huey P. Newton, George Jackson and Jonathan Jackson, Bunchy Carter, John Huggins, Fred Hampton, Mark Cark, and so many others who gave their very lives to the black liberation struggle under the Party’s banner.
Secondly, they denigrate the Party’s name by promoting concepts absolutely counter to the revolutionary principles on which the Party was founded. Their alleged media assault on the Ku Klux Klan serves to incite hatred rather than resolve it. The Party’s fundamental principle, as best articulated by the great revolutionary Ernesto “Che” Guevara, was: “A true revolutionary is guided by great feelings of love.” The Black Panthers were never a group of angry young militants full of fury toward the “white establishment.” The Party operated on love for black people, not hatred of white people.”
You can read more here:
http://www.blackpanther.org/newsalert.htm
November 4th, 2008 at 8:10 pm# 8 bishop Says:
November 4th, 2008 at 8:10 pm
“Yes your correct Lisa.”
That should be you’re correct, or you are correct, but not “your correct”. I don’t know how many times I have corrected you on this.
But, back on topic. black panthers = new black panthers = kkk
November 4th, 2008 at 8:18 pmIt’s unfortunate that this group in PA felt it necessary to do this today, especially since most people will not realize or even know there is any kind of a difference between the “new” and the former groups and it continues to create a less than positive impression.
I know that some of the Black Panthers have tried to distance themselves from violence and concentrate on community issues.
November 4th, 2008 at 8:23 pmThese thugs in the video are gang bangers and were protecting their turf. It is as simple as that.
November 4th, 2008 at 8:26 pmIn regard to post #9
Here is a riddle for you.
Not Again = PEST!!!!!!!!
Grow up!!!!!!!!!
You’ll be singing a different tune in a few hours!
Spell this….OBAMA.
The correct spelling is PRESIDENT OBAMA!
November 4th, 2008 at 8:56 pmI thought you weren’t responding to my posts anymore ‘bish. I guess you have lost what little self control you had.
I hope comrade obama does not win, but if he does, after 4 years of incompetence, he will be voted out. The folks will finally realize what dupes they have been.
November 4th, 2008 at 9:01 pmJust on the off chance that the projections are not accurate? I’d wait a few more hours till more than a few percentage points are in before you decide to gloat. That way if it does go crazy? You don’t have to take it back.
There are numerous reports of exit pollers being given the opposite information and people refusing to even talk to them. Which is why I always wait till the numbers come in whether they look good for someone I like or not.
This leads us to the discussion we have every four years, what impact does the early projections have on the states that are still voting…
November 4th, 2008 at 9:02 pmbishop can’t help himself. I think he will be one of the rioters if the almighty obama was to lose.
November 4th, 2008 at 9:08 pmI think you know why I did that…If Obama wins? He wins, and if McCain wins? He wins, that’s the thing about the way our voting system is set up. The majority well, not really majority since we don’t do popular vote but…the electoral college is the final say and there will be many states where the majority of those voters will be unhappy and the reverse.
November 4th, 2008 at 9:17 pmNot Again…
in regard to post #15, there you go hiding behind your sheet again!
November 4th, 2008 at 9:40 pmLisaRenee…yes it is still early.
But I still think it is over and Obama will win!
November 4th, 2008 at 9:44 pmYou could be right, but then again I remember 2004…which is why for me? I don’t count it over until…it’s over.
However, that said, if ABC was correct in reporting the lowest Republican turnout in Ohio that it had dropped ten points from 2004? It’s very difficult to imagine how McCain could win in Ohio.
November 4th, 2008 at 9:53 pmLook at this LisaRenee…
this is somewhat disturbing.
There was a shooting at a poll location in Detroit.
http://nbc24.com/news/news_story.aspx?id=217300
November 4th, 2008 at 9:54 pmI also don’t think Not Again is racist so the “hiding behind the sheets” comment was not necessary. I think suggesting that someone would not support Obama because of his race is wrong and I don’t think it would matter what race Obama was, it is his policies that Not Again as well as others disagreed with.
And…if you are right and he did win? There goes the whole America is racist theme, which I’d be happy to see have to be addressed as not being true since so many kept saying if he lost it would be because of his race.
November 4th, 2008 at 9:56 pmJust my 2 cents but, if the kkk were “reborn” as the “new klan” who’s new focus wasn’t hating blacks but expressing their love for whites, it would still be a hate group and not a dimes worth of difference between the two.
November 4th, 2008 at 10:04 pmThe new black panther party is just a repackage of the same old shit. If the NBPP meant what they said in their press release, they’d have a leash put on the jack-asses who are doing things in their name.
Especially if you take what the leader of the group in Philly told the newspaper into consideration, he openly stated he hates white people and that they are the enemy – the release on their website about the guy with the nightstick is a totally different tone than what he told them.
November 4th, 2008 at 10:08 pmLisaRenee in regard to your post #21.
I don’t think Not Again is a racist. However I do think he is a pest.
I have nothing against him, but hate breeds hate.
And for whatever reason, no matter what I post he has something negative to put behind it. Whether it be correcting a spelling error, calling names, implying that I am some thug that will riot etc.
That is totally not me. And anyone that knows me, and what I stand for, and the work I have done within the community, the city of Toledo and abroad would agree.
But, however, I am tired of Not Again and his childish posts towards me.
Some people you cannot be nice too.
November 4th, 2008 at 10:09 pmMaybe, I’m nice to everyone – most everyone – even people that have called me much worse names. I have no problem with the fact that the two of you are ideologically opposite but…I try to expect the same level of behavior from everyone, I don’t always get it but I still strive for that.
November 4th, 2008 at 10:12 pmI predict quite a few people will feel it necessary to gloat if Obama does win, I watched it happen in 2004 – which really didn’t bother me then since neither Bush nor Kerry thrilled me. Nor will this election no matter the outcome. Neither candidate thrilled me.
It did create hard feelings on many websites, so while I understand the desire of those who felt they should have won in 2000 or 2004 – I guess the true measure of a person to me is not only how they lose but how they win…
When it’s over one side will celebrate, one side will mourn and the rest of us? Are still faced with the same real life issues that remain to be seen how and if they will be addressed.
November 4th, 2008 at 10:17 pmyes that is true Lisarenee.
However I don’t consider just any election. It is history! And African-American president has never happened before, so I am overjoyed.
November 4th, 2008 at 10:27 pmI really have no intention of being antagonistic, Bishop, but what about a candidate’s race has anything to do with his or her ability to be President? Why should this race have been about race (no pun intended)? If it’s not okay for people to vote against Senator Obama because of his race, why is it okay for people to vote FOR him based on his race?
I only ask because I have asked this question of African-American democrats and up to this point, I have received nothing but name calling and profanity in return. And I am interested in the answer…
November 4th, 2008 at 10:29 pmas am I.
I think what troubles me with bishop’s intention to vote based on race just gives people such as myself who did take the time to research the guy and overlook an issue or two as I have with the Republican candidate a sense of worthlessness.
Granted, it truly is a historic moment should Barack win this election, but Barack should be held because of what he is capable of doing for the American People, not his genetic make-up.
November 4th, 2008 at 10:46 pmAre you just as overjoyed that the half white part of him also won?
I’m guessing I should start claiming my daughter is American Indian, since she is one quarter American Indian.
November 4th, 2008 at 10:47 pmIn response to posts #28, #29, and #30.
Made With Fear –
I don’t think this election was about race at all. I do believe that Obama was the best candidate for the job.
However, when it comes to race and race issues…America has created that problem. For many years…African-Americans were not even able to vote, let alone an African-American run for president.
When I say that I am overjoyed…I am. And I think many other African-Americans are as well. This election is historic and this is why the media, CNN inlcuded, keeps saying that we could very well have our “1st African-American President.”
Brian…
You said, “Granted, it truly is a historic moment should Barack win this election, but Barack should be held because of what he is capable of doing for the American People, not his genetic make-up.”
I agree with that statement. However, that is how it always should have been from the very beginning of time. Unfortunately, that had not been the case. Blacks at one point were not even able to vote!
Now in regard to your comment of me voting based on race. I have never said that I voted for Obama because he was black. I voted for Obama because he was the best candidate…just as I voted for Clinton, and many others who have not been black.
Lastly, LisaRenee…I am overjoyed because the United States will have it’s first African-American President. Now, he may be mixed…the reality is we ALL are mixed with something.
So you may intepret it as you choose…but I still am overjoyed.
And I am also happy to announce that Obama is not the President-Elect of the United States!!!!!!!!!!!
November 4th, 2008 at 11:06 pmI haven’t been watching anything political tonight.
But I certainly am looking forward to the morning news!
I just hope that the man that is Barack Obama stands tall for who he is, not the genes of his parents.
This election cycle was the worst offering since 2004. I’m glad it’s over.
I’m not for certain on the American Indian claim. I’ve heard things over the years, but not accepting anything as gospel.
November 4th, 2008 at 11:06 pmBishop, American Indians don’t follow that whole “one drop” rule, so I was teasing you.
I completely understand why you would be happy, if I was vested in a candidate the way you were Barack Obama, I’d probably be just as happy.
I’m sure there are many Obama supporters who feel exactly the way you do for a variety of reasons, and it’s cool that someone you believed in won. Now comes the hard part, will he deliver on what he promised. That we’ll find out after the first of the year.
November 4th, 2008 at 11:12 pm#33…Yes this is true LisaRenee.
November 4th, 2008 at 11:56 pmBarack Obama swept to victory as the nation’s first black president Tuesday night in an electoral college landslide that overcame racial barriers as old as America itself. “Change has come,” he told a huge throng of cheering supporters.
The son of a black father from Kenya and a white mother from Kansas, the Democratic senator from Illinois sealed his historic triumph by defeating Republican Sen. John McCain in a string of wins in hard-fought battleground states — Ohio, Florida, Virginia, Iowa and more.
On a night for Democrats to savor, they padded their majorities in the House and Senate, and come January will control both the White House and Congress for the first time since 1994.
In his first speech as president-elect, Obama catalogued the challenges ahead. “The greatest of a lifetime,” he said, two wars, a planet in peril, the worst financial crisis in a century.”
Read More Here:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081105/ap_on_el_pr/election_rdp
November 5th, 2008 at 12:21 amI am gloating. Barack Hussein Obama, President Elect. “Not Again,” remember this:
# 12 Not Again Says:
June 6th, 2008 at 6:43 am
I can’t wait to tell Purnhurt to “get over it” in November.”Of course, she will probably be nowhere to be found, by then.
It is November 2008 and I am still here and Obama is the president elect. For once I am proud to be an American.
November 5th, 2008 at 12:39 amTwila,
I congratulate President-Elect Obama and the Democrats on a well run campaign. I look forward to being part of the loyal opposition.
However, if this is the first time you’ve been proud to be an American, I feel sorry for you and don’t mind telling you that you should have emigrated to another nation of your choice a long time ago.
November 5th, 2008 at 1:23 am“For once I am proud to be an American.”
Spoken like a true leftist idiot! Never mind that you have rights and opportunities that AREN’T offered in most places you could have been born! And, America also gives you the right to pack you’re crap and go live in a happier place you can be proud of!
What stopped you from going?
My guess is that deep down you know damned well that you’d never have it better elsewhere on the planet.
The real reason you’ve never been proud to be an American is that you take all the rights we have for granted and have been content to just sit on your ass and bitch that doing nothing gained you nothing!
November 5th, 2008 at 1:38 amCertainly you can be proud of Obama for what he’s accomplished but, the pride of DOING IT is his alone!
If thats all it took to give you pride in America, you have shallow values!
RE: #12
>>You’ll be singing a different tune in a few hours!<<
Do you mean “Obama Be Thy Name”? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PDehlPWsdQ
Or do you mean “Sing for Change”? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTBq_ybkBmI&feature=related
Or “Yes We Can”?
November 5th, 2008 at 2:40 amhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4q9nTfXh1eQ
# # 36 twila page Says:
November 5th, 2008 at 12:39 am
“For once I am proud to be an American.”
The real ugly face of Purnhurt.
November 5th, 2008 at 5:21 amSepp, I think I love you!!!!! LOL! Well said and Amen!
November 5th, 2008 at 9:14 amPresident-Elect Obama’s acceptance speech:
If there is anyone out there who still doubts that America is a place where all things are possible; who still wonders if the dream of our founders is alive in our time; who still questions the power of our democracy, tonight is your answer.
It’s the answer told by lines that stretched around schools and churches in numbers this nation has never seen; by people who waited three hours and four hours, many for the very first time in their lives, because they believed that this time must be different; that their voice could be that difference.
It’s the answer spoken by young and old, rich and poor, Democrat and Republican, black, white, Hispanic, Asian, Native American, gay, straight, disabled and not disabled – Americans who sent a message to the world that we have never been a collection of Red States and Blue States: we are, and always will be, the United States of America.
It’s the answer that led those who have been told for so long by so many to be cynical, and fearful, and doubtful of what we can achieve to put their hands on the arc of history and bend it once more toward the hope of a better day.
It’s been a long time coming, but tonight, because of what we did on this day, in this election, at this defining moment, change has come to America.
Read More Here:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/ynews_pl135
November 5th, 2008 at 9:58 amBishop,
Change is all we Americans will have in our pockets when all our dollars are going toward higher taxes. If Americans wanted change, please explain why so many incumbents were put back into office?
November 5th, 2008 at 10:04 amOhio did not want change, at least not here in Lucas County and in many other places, Ohio did not want John McCain or Sarah Palin. We voted for higher taxes, less public access to waterways, less access to citizens groups putting issues on the ballot and it appears returned everyone to office that was in office in this area, though most were running unopposed.
On Local and State issues, people voted as they were told by the various big brothers out there. Issue 5 is a perfect example because the No vote spent a huge amount of money and they lost.
The good news is that now our local, county and state government can not blame the office of the president for our economy, Democrats in DC and elsewhere now have the opportunity to demonstrate that after 8 years of finger pointing and blame? It’s their turn to show everyone how they think it should be done. That was supposedly the main reason why our nation was in the kind of condition it is in, because there was a Republican in the White House.
However, I can tell you right now what will happen, the Democrats will blame it on the fact that they did not get the 60 seats in the Senate. Four years from now when we are here again at this moment, it will be said that is what prevented Barack Obama from doing all that he promised, how many believe that then, remains to be seen but I expect they will, I knew if McCain won it would be very unlikely he would serve more than one term. Obama will, once you reach that goal and you have that kind of power? It’s not something you give up until you have to…
November 5th, 2008 at 10:28 amPam,
Right now that change is all many Americans have after 8 years of the Bush administration. With all the jobs closings, recessions, and much more.
At least now with Obama America has hope.
November 5th, 2008 at 10:35 amLisaRenee…
On another note, still with the theme of “change.”
Toledo needs a change within the city administration. Is there any word yet whether Carty Finkbeiner will run again?
What about Ben Konop?
November 5th, 2008 at 10:39 amLisaRenee says
“However, I can tell you right now what will happen, the Democrats will blame it on the fact that they did not get the 60 seats in the Senate. Four years from now when we are here again at this moment, it will be said that is what prevented Barack Obama from doing all that he promised,”
This is when conservatives need to stand up and yell, “Oh No You Don’t!!!!!!”
Bishop, let’s talk a year from now. Obama campaigned to the center. I believe his leftist beliefs will get the better of him. All of us will be faced with higher taxes and we will lose our freedoms little by little. I don’t want my hard-earned income hit harder by taxes given to those that have not earned it. That is socialism. My hope is that the United States of America does not become the socialist states of amerika.
November 5th, 2008 at 10:49 amPam,
I think Obama has a good plan for America, and I do not believe that he is a socialist.
I also don’t believe that Obama intends to raise taxes…however the situation that United States is in right now with the recession the millions of dollars for the bailout thanks to the Bush Administration…I think Obama will be faced with tough decisions and challenges ahead, as would McCain or any other person who would’ve taken over the presidency after the last 8 years of Bush.
I also believe that Obama will not be able to accomplish everything alone, it will take a joint effort of many people. In addition, he will not be able to accomplish everything in his 1st term. He will have to be elected again.
November 5th, 2008 at 10:59 amThe reality is America will give him 8 years, it’s something most of us who were being realistic knew even before he won. McCain would not have had that, even had he been younger. It’s the cycle of politics we see on a National and a State level, where one party is allowed control for a certain number of years, then? People believe it is the blame of one party rather than to make real changes.
Ironically a place where this cycle does not happen is here in Lucas County, where as close as we get to pulling that off is switching from A to B teamers.
November 5th, 2008 at 11:05 amBishop,
Four painful years of Carter gave us eight years of Reagan. After the first two years of Bill Clinton, we had the Republican sweep and the Contract with America that helped Clinton balance the budget. Obama will not be able to keep his promises, he will start leaning more to the left (which is not how he campaigned) the press will start asking the hard questions that should have been asked all along and people will see the the real Obama built by the Chicago political machine. Like I said, let’s talk a year from now. Until then have a good day. I will because you can no longer blame George Bush. The democrats have the presidency and both houses. The buck stops there. I think after a couple years with higher taxes, our military depleted, companies leaving or being bankrupted, people will turn the other way. It happened with Carter.
November 5th, 2008 at 11:06 amBishop, a close look into Obama’s past says a lot about his politics. he attended socialist group functions, cited well known socialist leaders as his influences and Ayers, Khalidi, Sanders are all well known socialists whom Obama associates with. His “spread the wealth” comment comes right from the socialist platform.
November 5th, 2008 at 12:07 pmSo yeah, I’d say he’s a socialist.
He won’t see a second term unless he moves closer toward the center.
I wish him the best of luck. History will always remember him but, what he does will dictate what history says about him.
Well, it’s already starting as far as figuring out where Obama is going with his decision of who to offer the Chief of Staff position, Rahm Emanuel.
November 5th, 2008 at 12:26 pmThis is the guy that tried to socialize our healthcare industry. Very interesting.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rahm_Emanuel
November 5th, 2008 at 12:53 pmWell we will just have to wait and see. America voted, and the popular vote was for Obama.
Apparently, he was the better candidate according to the polls.
November 5th, 2008 at 1:32 pmApparently he was the candidate with more money. His first lie was going back on his promise and accepting private donations. A lot of those donations can not be traced and may have been illegal. McCain took public money.
Just because something is popular doesn’t mean it’s best for you. Ever have your mother say to you, “Well if everyone was jumping off the bridge would you do that too?” Moms are smart like that.
November 5th, 2008 at 1:57 pmPam…
Well, Obama is popular, and he is what is best for me…and this is why I voted for him.
We could go back and forth with this and it will accomplish nothing. The votes are in and the winner has been declared.
Conratulations to President-Elect Barack Obama!
November 5th, 2008 at 2:03 pmLike I said Bishop, let’s talk a year from now.
November 5th, 2008 at 2:05 pmHopefully obama will not select all socialists to be on his team. So far though, he is batting 1000.
November 5th, 2008 at 2:36 pminteresting article you might enjoy reading Not Again…
November 5th, 2008 at 2:41 pmThe stock market doesn’t seem to like the obama selection. Down over 400 points.
November 5th, 2008 at 3:37 pmI’m not going to argue the economic situation this country is in: it is grim. We are closer to a recession than we have been for 25+ years. What I am interested in knowing is why the blame sits squarely on the shoulders of the Bush Administration. I am not saying I agree with the manner in which everything this executive has conducted every piece of business. That said, I also know that we should be very careful about how we criticize the President (no matter who he is); he knows and sees things every day that you or I or your neighbor will die without ever knowing. And that burden, to me, would be intolerable.
I think everyone should consider the function of the legislative branch in this whole endeavor. For the last part of Bush’s presidency, we have had a Democrat-controlled congress. The legislature, for those of you who don’t get it, controls laws and regulations (either directly or through committees, etc.). For anyone unfamiliar with the division of power in the federal government: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_constitution
So, while the Bush administration can be held responsible for a lot of things, I do not think that it can take all the blame for the current economic situation. In the same fashion, Obama cannot be expected(nor should he have, ethically, promised) to personally fix all the problems we have encountered.
November 5th, 2008 at 8:25 pmBishop and Made with Fear and Wonder – I agree with your posts.
It’s easy to blame a sitting President – but the roots of the problems we are having precede him by two other Presidents. That isn’t to say he isn’t accountable for what’s taken place during his own tenure – just that it isn’t all President Bush’s fault.
And I think we need to remember that as President Obama starts his tenure. We have some unrealistic expectations and the media uses those expectations to criticize and turn public opinion against every sitting President. We need to refuse to buy into that.
The election is over and we have a new President. Part of living in a democracy is that some emerge victorious from elections and some lose. We won’t agree with the outcome of every election.
I voted for John McCain. I will support President Obama because he is the President. I will pray for the safety of his family and that he is strong enough to fight off the evils that prowl our Capital City.
There are some very bad things happening in our country right now. We need to start to pull together for healing and forward progress.
And we need to respect the office of the President of the United States.
As to the conduct of these men at a polling place, it is unacceptable to wield a night stick in the presence of people attempting to enter a place to vote. We saw it when the people of Iraq had their first election. I saw video of men with sticks and stones that they threw at the lines of voters. I saw lines of people drop down at the sound of gunfire and then stand back up in their places and refuse to be moved. Then they grinned and displayed their purple thumbs as proof of the fact that they were brave enough to refuse to run away in face of intimidation and stay to vote.
People who engage in intimidation, or implied threats of violence to interfere with the voting process belong in jail.
And what color their skin is or what club they may belong to is not a factor. They ought to know better. And if they don’t, the police should know better.
November 5th, 2008 at 8:53 pmThat’s going to be hard for some to do, because the office of the president has not been respected by many. Should people rise to the challenge and treat this president as they believe one should be treated? Of course, but I go back to my old movie quote, “Attitude reflects leadership” people should be willing to give Obama as President the benefit of the doubt.
There are some stark ideological differences that exist but there are also some areas where common ground exists. Will he be a “uniter or a divider” beyond the typical political games that under a two party system can never be eliminated is up to him. The selections he makes will give people insight into what they can expect. So far? It’s not impressive, especially if he does pick John Kerry as his Secretary of State which I hope is just a rumor, Bill Richardson would be much better and is a bit closer to his promise of picking the best this country has to offer.
November 5th, 2008 at 9:03 pmMade With Fear and Wonder:
You said we’re closer to a recession than we’ve been in in 25 years. We’ve actually had several recessions in the last 25 years.
82-83 was a brutal blue and white collar recession. This was caused by a brand new monetary policy to reduce the amount of currency and money in circulation. Paul Volker and the Reagan economic braintrust correctly identified th cause of stagflation as too much money chasing too few goods. While it was necessary, it was brutal and painful.
1991-1992 was primarily a white collar recession. This was caused by a credit crunch precipitated by the collapse of the savings and loan industry and all of the borrowing the federal government did to insure depositers. It was also caused by the tech revolution when many white collar, middle management workers were replaced by computers.
2000-2001 — a lot of Republicans like to blame this on Bill Clinton, but this was primarily a cyclical recession. It was mild and would have been milder had it not been for 9/11.
Recessions are part of a capitalistic economy. We deal with them, then we move on.
November 5th, 2008 at 10:45 pmMy brother told me that when he went to his polling place in East Toledo four black men were standing in the entrance, and he had to push his way through. At that point he had not made up his mind who to vote for. Those men decided it for him. He voted for McCain even though he is a union man and Obama would probably be in his interests.
November 5th, 2008 at 11:05 pmBrian: you’re right about those recessions. When I first posted, I did not do my own research, but relied on something an economics professor said. That’ll learn me, won’t it! I also understand that recessions (and even depressions, unfortunately) are part of a capitalistic society, but this has been particularly brutal on Bush and his Administration, and I don’t think that’s been fair.
I heard of a polling place in E. Toledo (probably the same one you’re referring to, greenrax) where African Americans were trying to turn people away with intimidation. I also heard about people in other parts of Ohio going door to door telling people that Democrats and Republicans voted on different days. I think there is something really wrong with those who wish to circumvent the process… especially with outright physical intimidation.
November 6th, 2008 at 12:01 amLisa, I’ve only heard a few disgruntled grumblings from the McCain crowd. They seemed initially bruised from losing but, the conversation in just 2 days has moved closer toward accepting the loss and moving on with their lives.
I’m guessing that we won’t be hearing the knashing, wailing and whining we’ve had to listen to for the last 8 years.
IMO, I think candidates should choose their cabinet BEFORE the election. That way we can see if the would-be leader picks winners to serve us and not just a bunch of cronies.
November 6th, 2008 at 9:52 amIt would be nice to know what we’re getting beforehand.
Any voter intimidation should not be tolerated. We should also not tolerate those that try to destroy private citizens for simply asking questions of our candidates running for office. Both of these are our civic duty.
I agree we respect the Office of the Presidency. We must also respect our Constitution and fight to preserve it. We still must be vigilant and speak out against decisions and policies that are not in the best interest of our country. I just wish this respect would have been given to President George W. Bush in 2000 and 2004. We are even seeing people in California protesting because the ban on gay marriage passed. What is with that? They are not respecting the vote of the people. Using the same logic as the Obama election, the people have spoken, accept it and go on. It seems that we have to accept one decision but not others.
I did not vote for Obama because he does not represent my conservative values. Even President Bush turned his back on conservatism. I believe the next four years will be tough for a lot of people. But, I think it will lead to a brighter day for our country just as the four years of Carter led to eight years of Reagan!!!!!
November 6th, 2008 at 10:04 amBoth candidates were crap. It’s a shame and a sham that the media didn’t expose them both for the crap they were instead of hopping into bed with one of them. The 3rd party’s could have used the boost and probably would have had the best chance ever this year against the two clowns we had to select from…as if they were a selection.
…just another victory for the “supposed” lesser of the evils.
November 6th, 2008 at 11:45 am# 60 Not Again Says:
November 5th, 2008 at 3:37 pm
“The stock market doesn’t seem to like the obama selection. Down over 400 points.”
Another terrible day on the stock market. The Dow is down big again today.
November 6th, 2008 at 12:22 pmJust wait for the government takeover of our 401K plans. It’s coming people.
November 6th, 2008 at 12:32 pmI was thinking about taking everything out before the transfer of power, but it looks like everyone is cashing in now.
November 6th, 2008 at 12:40 pmI might be left holding an empty bag if I wait till January.
November 6th, 2008 at 12:42 pmI feel the same way. Can’t wait until this is sprung on the Obama adoring masses. I think once their wealth is spread, they may start to get it. What’s sad is people don’t care about Obama voting “present” when it comes to babies born of botched abortions being denied medical care or his association with domestic terrorist William Ayers. I wonder what Carolyn Kennedy and Robert Kennedy Jr. think of Ayer’s dedicating his book, Prairie Fire, to Sirhan Sirhan, the man that murdered Robert Kennedy. They don’t care about racist, Rev. Wright, the acorn issues, his leftist liberal record. But, they will start paying attention when he starts stealing what they have worked hard for and saved for many years. It’s sad that money is some people’s god. All I can hope is people wake up and don’t let these leftist loons destroy our country.
November 6th, 2008 at 1:29 pmHere you go Pam, this page lists all the people Ayer’s book was dedicated to and excepts…
November 6th, 2008 at 3:33 pmhttp://www.zombietime.com/prairie_fire/
The Dow has dropped 10% in the two days since the election. I think it is about time for Obama to resign his presidency.
November 6th, 2008 at 3:40 pmGreat link Sepp!!!!! How can any freedom and liberty loving American citizen see this garbage and not cringe? Just think of William Ayers and Bernadine Dorn sleeping in the Lincoln Bedroom in the Whitehouse.
November 6th, 2008 at 3:52 pmHeres another important link for ya Pam!
November 7th, 2008 at 7:42 amhttp://www.baylyblog.com/2008/11/tangled-up-in-blue.html
Sepp, If only people would have really educated themselves with the ticket of Obamanation and Plastic Fantastic Biden. God please help us!!!!!
November 7th, 2008 at 8:53 amDid you also hear Obama is tapping Jennifer Granholm to be part of his economic transition team? Jennifer f’ing Granholm???!!!!!. Please she tanked Michigan for God’s sake. Keep this canuck run amuck away from the rest of the United States of America. Please, Michigan has like the highest unemployment and tax rates (due to regulation) in this country.
Keep hoping for change people. Kennedy, Kerry, Rahmbo….we see the same tiredsome, leftist elitist maroons tapped as part of the Obama team.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-ap-mi-obama-michigan-wh,0,7506902.story
November 7th, 2008 at 9:17 amAnyone hear when the funeral for Obama’s grandmother will be? Seems kind of strange nothing more has been said……
November 7th, 2008 at 9:44 amTwo posts on the transition so far that I wrote on my other blog, Not everyone is happy about Rahm and many women I know are not happy about Summers being suggested.
As a Democrat who was trying to do the whole “benefit of the doubt” mantra, it is getting harder with some of the decisions made as well as some of the rumors out there to not feel as if the cynicism I had was not unfounded.
November 7th, 2008 at 9:45 amWestboro Baptist Church announced they would be picketing the funeral of Obama’s grandmother – which may be difficult to do because it does not appear there is going to be one -when asked on November 4th: A campaign spokesman declined today to say when the service would be held, referring to the statement, which mentions “a small private ceremony to be held at a later date.”
November 7th, 2008 at 9:50 amThis suggests he won’t be going to Hawaii until December:
President-elect Barack Obama will visit Hawai’i in December to honor his grandmother “Toot,” who died two nights before the election, and to relax with his family before he takes the reins of the federal government in January.
November 7th, 2008 at 9:56 amThanks Lisa and very interesting.
November 7th, 2008 at 9:58 amIt was a challenge to find it, lots of people are asking the same question you did but few media sources out there actually reporting on it. Most of the coverage was related to the Westboro release. Which to me has always seemed stupid, if you really don’t like them or their message then why help them to get more attention….
November 7th, 2008 at 10:04 amA funeral is no place for protestors. I don’t understand that mentality.
Here is my problem with how Obama is treating his grandmother’s death. If that was my grandmother and she was such a major force in my life, I would be there from her dying breath until she was either cremated or buried. From what we hear about his December visit, we can ascertain he will not be present at the funeral of the woman that was so “important” to him.
November 7th, 2008 at 10:27 amAnyone aware of this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSwgerG34s0
Watch the disgusting treatment of this child by a teacher who cannot even speak English properly? This woman should never be allowed to teach children, again. If I was this child’s mother, the teacher would be torn a new one.
November 7th, 2008 at 11:52 am