Tim Russo’s predictable behavior…
Tim tried to make an earlier post about me and his demand that I have to share who I’m voting for in November or risk not being transparent, so now he’s decided to do what Tim typically does, he’s called me out on his blog, Dear Lisa Renee Ward – Your grandchildren won’t let you hide who you voted for in 2008.
So, this is a great way for a lesson in how I’m not like Tim. What is supposed to happen now is I am supposed to now get all defensive and do what Tim wants me to do. Other bloggers will either chime in and agree with Tim that I “need” to post who I’m voting for, others will state the opposite and personal attacks directed at Tim and at myself will result. Normally what else is supposed to happen is I’m supposed to blog bad things about Tim for this to really be an all out “blog war”.
Rather stupid, and it’s why I don’t get involved in the drama side of the blogosphere. What kind of a lesson will I teach my grandchildren? They’ll learn about personal respect, basic human decency and how to care about others, no matter their political party. They’ll also learn that sometimes? It’s about more than just them…
Lisa, what Tim is doing is childish and rediculous. What does he hope to accomplish? Again, this is just like the treatment we see given to Joe the Plumber.
It’s almost like Tim is stalking you.
October 21st, 2008 at 3:03 pmNo, this is a part of the Ohio blogosphere that I try to stay out of, this is how some blog.
October 21st, 2008 at 3:07 pmWho is Tim Russo?
October 21st, 2008 at 3:22 pmI find Tim’s post to be atrocious. To attempt to embarass you into disclosing your confidential and secret vote by playing upon the emotions of future descendents is unbelievable.
What is gained by stating which candidate you support? Will knowing how you plan to vote change someone else’s vote? (doubtful)
Will it add fuel to the fire that some want to light about how you interpret the campaigns? (likely)
So it seems knowing your preference only gives Tim (and some others like him) something to beat you about the head over. And no matter what the answer, they’ll use it to crucify you.
That’s certainly not a reason to disclose your vote. And it contradicts his claim that if you don’t tell now, you will somehow refuse to share your decision with your offspring 40 years from now.
(ouch…it hurts just trying to think of such distorted anti-logic).
One of the many things I like and respect about you, Lisa, is that you look at these types of issues and make common sense judgments about them. You don’t say something is right just because it’s being done by a democrat or that something is wrong just because it’s being done by a republican.
You have your political bent (we all do) and when you disagree with others about those political issues, you do so respectfully, but never with the idea that your side is right because it’s ‘your’ side.
I’m sure you won’t, but don’t let this get to you. The insistence that you need to cater to Tim’s wishes says more about him than your silence about your vote does.
October 21st, 2008 at 3:25 pmWhat an asshole.
Lisa, this jerk is one of the shitheads that stain Obama AND the democrats.
Choose to vote for Obama…and all is forgiven. Chose to vote for McCain or, 3 party and you’re obviously a closet racist who doesent want to be a part of the “opportunity” to elect the first black president…regardless of the fact that his platform is crap…you’re obligated as a white person to “prove” you harbor no racial animosities!
A sleazebag tactic if there ever was one.
October 21st, 2008 at 3:31 pm“Rather stupid, and it’s why I don’t get involved in the drama side of the blogosphere.”
Well the guy is a drama “queen” afterall, so you are right, predictable and not a surprise.
October 21st, 2008 at 3:36 pmLisa,
You have one of the few “functional” blogs in the blogosphere where most people have intelligent and reasonable discussions and people of all political persuasions are made to feel welcome.
Tim Russo can go bugger himself. He’s not part of the discussion here.
October 21st, 2008 at 3:38 pmTim is a real pinhead.
October 21st, 2008 at 3:42 pmTim’s post represents the same type of people who felt it necessary to call my home and call my 14 year old names thinking she was me as well as the myriad of other harassments that have happened online and offline. Who assumed because I have a different reason and motivation for blogging beyond only pushing candidates or causes that I believe in that they “know” who I’m voting for.
Why I think it was important to point out is this is one of my real concerns about the blogosphere, scenario’s like this where internet bullying takes place demeans what good can be accomplished.
I expected this would happen eventually, but? It’s not going to change how I do things here because that is a much more important than making Tim Russo or anyone like him happy.
October 21st, 2008 at 3:48 pmYet, Lisa Renee has been jumping on Tim Russo’s blogging bandwagon regarding his alleged upcoming lawsuit. She’ll cooperate with Tim on the lawsuit if Lisa Renee believes it benefits her or is a detriment to those she dislikes. Didn’t I just read that she doesn’t get involved in the drama that goes on around the blogs ????
I beg to differ. She accepted the green jacket (and that IS “drama”
What Lisa Renee should remember is Tim Russo doesn’t give a f–k about anyone but himself. He is a deeply ingrained narcissist who can’t see past his parent’s basement dweller narrow existance. Also, under age kids were his prey in at least one attempt to satisfy some deep dark needs of his.
I’ve had differences with Lisa Renee regarding her using the word “sexist” and “misogynist” far more quickly than I believe is appropriate and her tendancy to abandon “progressive” ideology in favor of “feminist” ideology.
However, Tim Russo is the dregs of the Ohiosphere who isn’t worthy of being in close proximity of Lisa Renee… and that’s the TRUTH !!
October 21st, 2008 at 3:56 pmBeing you are one who gives us info each day, I find it more in my favor not to know who you are voting for. Also it is a personal question. I on the other hand don’t have a problem telling my age or who I am voting for, but it does depend on the person. We all know those who we can’t talk politics or religion to, Ever.
October 21st, 2008 at 3:58 pmHickman, I’ll actually leave that comment up, though don’t think that means you are unbanned – you aren’t. I was dragged into the drama because you brought it here. You could not just focus on the discussion here, you had to try to use my blog to hurt other people. You forced yourself to be banned here through your own behavior and then what you’ve done since has only confirmed that.
The whole green jacket thing for banning you and having my head cut and pasted on some guys body was not something I expected nor wanted.
Banning you was not my choice and I really wished you could have just followed the basic rules. When you wanted to, you did add to the discussion.
I haven’t blogged about Tim’s lawsuit, but I have defended him in the past because that’s what I do, if you were being unfairly attacked, even despite your own behavior, I’d do the same.
October 21st, 2008 at 4:07 pmlisa….i think part of what makes this blog so good is that you don’t say “i’m voting for so-and-so” and you don’t go on and on endorsing a specific someone– even though you COULD because this is YOUR blog.
instead, you just let all of us doing the bitching and moaning and insult throwing, oh, wait..i mean, you let us do the discussing
and that’s what makes this blog so great.
to hell with idiots like Tim. keep doing what you’re doing.
October 21st, 2008 at 4:07 pmLisa,
Of course, you won’t/can’t be baited that easily.
What could have what’s his name have been thinking?
-or-
What? Could “what’s his name” have been thinking?
Keep the faith Lisa
October 21st, 2008 at 4:22 pmGee Hooda it was almost worth it just to see your name show up in the comments.
October 21st, 2008 at 4:32 pmWow Lisa….wow lol
just because of Tim I’m voting McCain….TODAY!!!!
wow
October 21st, 2008 at 4:33 pmVote your heart Brian, don’t change how you feel just because of one person or their actions.
October 21st, 2008 at 4:41 pmI have, Lisa. Florida has early voting and I’ve cast my ballot already and I have now officially removed myself from all presidential commentary.
oh, and by the way, if you’re in a line for early voting to beat the lines on Election Day, you get a Tim® mask.
October 21st, 2008 at 5:01 pmI’m glad you aren’t taking the bait and playing Tim Russo’s childish game. He’s perpetually angry and erratic, which I suspect is largely due to his inability to deal with his own past indiscretions. Tim’s narcissism has twisted him into a hateful little man, which leaves me feeling pity for him more than anything else.
Fortunately for the Ohio blogosphere, you are a class act, Lisa Renee. Though you and I disagree on plenty of things, I respect you and I think you’re a credit to your side.
October 21st, 2008 at 5:25 pmWow, we try to teach our students about cyberbullying all the time in school and the effect that it has on others. It is scary to know that the adults who are responsible for children cannot even conduct themselves properly and in a mature manner on the internet. Lisa, thank you for all you do. You are a much better example to your children and future grandchildren by behaving rationally and in a civil way than you would be giving in or even giving it back to him.
October 21st, 2008 at 5:30 pmMy take on Lisa Renee at Glass City Jungle…
She’s a class act and a credit to the Ohio blogosphere…….
October 21st, 2008 at 5:33 pmLisa – stay the course. If you want to share, please do. If you don’t, that’s your business and only your business. The beauty of our electoral process is that you never, ever have to share who you voted for. I don’t see how being transparent about this would have any effect on GCJ or what you do here or the opinions you share.
October 21st, 2008 at 5:52 pmTim Russo = Joe McCarthy
Lisa, Are you now, or have you ever been a member of a moderate or conservative party? Have you ever attended a Republican Party event? Have you ever knowingly associated with or married a Republican or a conservative?
Answer these questions or we will blackball you. Answer these questions incorrectly and we will blackball you.
October 21st, 2008 at 6:06 pm# 19 Alo Konsen Says:
October 21st, 2008 at 5:25 pm
“I’m glad you aren’t taking the bait and playing Tim Russo’s childish game. He’s perpetually angry and erratic, which I suspect is largely due to his inability to deal with his own past indiscretions.”
Now I see why he is an obama zombie.
Great decision Brian! Good man. I knew you would come around, in time.
October 21st, 2008 at 6:10 pmIt is sad now that anyone who isnt voting for Obama is going to be labeled a racist by some. I was in the vast minority here in 2006 who voted for Ken Blackwell. I decided to vote for him because I am a Republican and because I felt he would be a better governor. That is how I decided to vote for McCain. Just like I voted against Gore and Kerry, I will vote against Obama.
October 21st, 2008 at 6:10 pmBrian said:
“Have you ever attended a Republican Party event? Have you ever
knowingly associated with or married a Republican or a conservative?”
OH NO! Finally it comes full circle. The fault lies entirely with your husband
October 21st, 2008 at 6:14 pmIt ALWAYS has and it ALWAYS will LOL
October 21st, 2008 at 6:19 pmAlo, and everyone else thanks.
This primary election and the current election has been an enlightening one for me on blog and off blog. Steven, it shouldn’t matter but I’ve learned first hand it does. I learned that when I posted that I had decided to support Clinton after Edwards dropped out just as I learned early on in this blog that the best way to handle things was to not endorse specific candidates. If I was going to try to be true to my goal of getting information out there and sharing information from campaigns and issues even ones that I don’t personally agree with. It’s about information, not my trying to limit or control it.
I also can’t be out there trying to organize a candidate forum with the message being that all are welcome if I’m not willing to put that into practice here. It’s been very difficult to convince people that 1Votes is not some type of a secret effort to get more votes for Obama and what Tim wants would be in direct contradiction of my message that it doesn’t matter who you vote for, as long as you are making an informed vote.
I try not to be a hypocrite as much as possible.
Brian, I am in big trouble then since I am married to a Conservative. I guess I’ll have to divorce him.
You know one of my favorite movies is “Good night and Good Luck” though I never thought I’d experience what it felt like to be treated like that.
October 21st, 2008 at 6:24 pmwell, lisa, thanks for proving my point.
and now that this thread houses half the righty blogosphere’s lunatics, plus hickman, i think we know who you’re voting for anyway.
October 21st, 2008 at 7:02 pmand btw, it’s a good thing you didn’t get this petulant on the air……easy to get away with it on a blog. not so easy on live radio.
October 21st, 2008 at 7:04 pmWow, Tim, you can tell that all of these people are conservative? Wrong again, be careful it’s becoming a pattern.
October 21st, 2008 at 7:05 pmTim, if this is petulant, I’d hate to see how you would describe your own behavior. I didn’t go on your radio show to promote my blog, most of your listeners wouldn’t be interested in the local happenings that is my main focus here. I did it because you couldn’t get anyone else to do it and I was trying to be helpful.
Then again, like most things, I don’t think you have a clue into why I spend hours doing this, it’s not for money and it’s not for the same reasons that motivate you. I’m not out to hurt people for the fun of it, and I never will be. I hope you got what you wanted out of doing this and that you felt it was worth it.
October 21st, 2008 at 7:31 pmi had three people lined up for that show, sweetheart. don’t flatter yourself.
if you told me you wouldn’t answer any questions on the air, i wouldn’t have invited you on the show. and if you came on the show saying you would answer questions, and then proceeded not to do so on the air, you’d have learned a lesson about live radio.
but since that won’t happen anymore, feel free to enjoy your company here.
October 21st, 2008 at 7:39 pmWow, this Tim character is a real psychopath. If you are the pervert I have seen attributed to you, I would think you would want to melt away. And not carry on like a retard. Get a life russo; and I thought I was a trouble maker!
October 21st, 2008 at 7:42 pm# 33 tim russo Says:
October 21st, 2008 at 7:39 pm
“i had three people lined up for that show, sweetheart. don’t flatter yourself.”
Who dat? Moe, Larry, and Curly?
October 21st, 2008 at 7:43 pmI think that you are frustrated russo, because you have made a total fool of yourself.
October 21st, 2008 at 7:45 pmThat’s funny Tim, I’ve do live radio every week. If you had other people lined up then you didn’t need me, since I said I’d do it if no one else would. You should be about done trying to insult me by now, unless you have anything else? Have a good night.
October 21st, 2008 at 7:48 pmoh and tim…i am so NOT a conservative — so you’re not so great at figuring out who is and who isn’t. i’m proudly voting for Obama/Biden…and funny thing…regardless of who she’s voting for, i still think Lisa is the bomb!
[so tim, i think it's about time you packed your toys and left the playground].
October 21st, 2008 at 7:54 pmNu uh TLC – if you defend me – you have to be a conservative.
Double hugs next time I see you.
October 21st, 2008 at 8:00 pmSick that Russo would accuse Joe the plumber of being gay when he’s a damned convicted sex offender!
October 21st, 2008 at 8:15 pmWhat a scumbag.
I guess that when you’re the bottom of the barrel, you’ll try to pull anyone you can down there with you.
Tim was convicted of a sexual offense but he is not required to register as a sexual offender. Despite what happened today, I defended his right to blog and to not have that used against him in the past. He complied with the terms the court set out some time ago.
October 21st, 2008 at 8:25 pmIronically, this stance created a scenario where some took issue with me on that. I didn’t think someone should be defined as a person by one mistake or one judgment, it is even more ironic that Tim would attempt to guess who I’m voting for and make that one decision one that he feels it acceptable to attack me on.
That nothing else he knows about me in the years we’ve known each other matters, just that he thinks I’m voting for McCain. Sad to say but he’s not the only one like this.
October 21st, 2008 at 8:33 pmLions and tigers and conservatives! Oh my!
Lisa Renee, the fact that Tim Russo spews venom at you is prima facie evidence that you’re doing something right.
October 21st, 2008 at 8:33 pmTim
call me a conservative to my face, freak.
nothing but a weirdo with an internet connection, dime a dozen…
October 21st, 2008 at 8:39 pmFrom one of the people who read but only email…
“an anonymous LR supporter”:
“Tim = Ahole”
I love you guys
October 21st, 2008 at 8:51 pmLisa
This is the first time I’ve left a comment on your site, though I have read it often. I disagree with you a lot, but your site is a place where I can find a reasoned opinion opposite of mine. For that you serve this right-wing flame thrower quite well.
Tim is a classless act. The fact that he has tried to smear you says that you have class.
You have my respect.
October 21st, 2008 at 9:04 pmTim is a big jerk. This is the type of threats and bigotry that the far left is now becoming. Will Tim’s grandkids ask him about his vote for governor and his vote against the first Black candidate? According to Tim’s logic, he should have been proud to make that historic vote.
Tim should focus on his issues and destructive attitude before lecturing others.
October 21st, 2008 at 9:42 pmTim usually does not delete comments, but I just posted this on his blog:
Tim, will your grandchildren ask you about your vote for governor in 06 and how you were on the wrong side of history voting against the first African American governor candidate? According to your perverse logic and your desire to be on the “right side of history” you should have happily supported Blackwell.
The fact is everyone weighs their decisions based on the candidate’s merits and you inserting race into your argument just because it benefits you, makes you something your probably think you are not. Look in the mirror Tim and do some soul searching about what you are saying here.
Lisa is probably one of the most responsible bloggers out there. Obviously that gets under your craw. Your own house needs tending to, I would focus on that first before you start hypocritically lecturing about the right side of history and what side you fall on.
October 21st, 2008 at 9:49 pm“Tim Russo = Joe McCarthy”
As a history major, this one bothered me. The big bad wolf Joe McCarthy was made out to be might not be all that true. CHeck out M. Stanton Evan’s book Blacklisted By History.
October 21st, 2008 at 11:42 pmWho you vote for can be either public or private depending on how YOU want to exercise your right.
I appreciate your position on the subject.
This blog-o-drama proves how a person’s personal opinion and feelings about politics can be attacked by Tim if he disagrees.
Regardless of how supportive of Tim a person has been in the past.
He is destructive and seems to want to tear down everyone. You, Joe the Plumber, who he now claims is a “closeted gay” like him, or any of a long list of people he disagrees with, and tries to personally destroy them, convinced that they are as big a dirt bag as he is.
His personal crusades to destroy people are sad and I believe are a testament to how he feels about himself.
I’m not surprised that Tim has wrote, “I’m not particularly concerned about a blogger’s cowardice in the heat of this moment” about your decision to make your voting public. (Essentially calling you a coward)
I am not surprised that Tim thinks his voting decision is the right one. Even if sometime in future history, it proves that Sen. Obama is less than qualified, regardless of being white, black or green & red plaid.
But I am surprised that Tim continues to mention his contact with his niece. He seems to tout that as a vestige of normality and an endorsement from his family of being a non-threat to children. He doesn’t seem to realize that he is fortunate to have ANY contact with 7 year olds. If I was in his shoes I would be embarrassed to mention that in the conversation to you in a public forum.
Tim, how will you explain to your niece your criminal record when you are asked over a cup of coffee, at whatever age she comes to realize, that you are the “crazy uncle” that everyone has.
(Memorialized by your hero Sen. Obama when defending his relationship with Rev. Wright)
How will you explain the 1&1/2 inches of bulletproof glass that will separate you and your niece on visitation days? (If you continue on your self-destructive path)
I think that any person that needs to mention their contact with 7 year olds, to bring legitimacy to their life, their opinion and their blog shows their true colors. We are just here for his entertainment and we are only planets in the universe that is Tim.
We revolve around Tim (as does his niece) and he is free to use us as his pawns because ultimately we are all less than him. Anyone calling him to accountability is “evil.” (Police, FBI, Prosecutors, the media) But I do like how he frequently mentions “Christian virtues” when it suits him. People don’t treat him as a “Christian” are less than, while he treats no one with the same faux eco-friendly kid gloves he expects us to handle his fragile Italian hand-blown glass ego with.
He tends to destroy anyone that doesn’t hump his leg (Plundebund, Jeff Hess or Scott Pullins) and “mother” him. The Oedipus Complex is painfully obvious. And that is the problem, no one in the world treats him like his mommy.
Just feel fortunate that he hasn’t threatened you with his flea market “brass knuckles” yet.
It appears from his writing that he thinks he is the smartest person he knows and he is always the smartest person in the room. (Even though that room is in his parent’s basement)
October 21st, 2008 at 11:57 pmTom,
I’ve read a couple biographies of McCarthy and I agree that he is now used as a boogieman that liberals like to invoke. I did it in pure humor.
McCarthy was right in many of his charges. However, he was so inept in his presentation that he destroyed his own case. He also got duped by Roy Cohn who was trying to protect his gay lover from being transferred by the Army out of DC.
October 22nd, 2008 at 12:32 amAs some say, I try to stay away, but they bring me back in. There are a couple of troubling things I’ve discovered within this conversation. The first, and foremost, is that Lisa Renee voted Libertarian in 2004. This troubles me very much as the libertarian perspective is not only primarily republican, but in addition lost on those who are capable of thinking. 99% of Republicans aren’t that stupid. But yet she claims to be a democrat and hosts a blog called liberal common sense. To that I say bullshit.
Libertarians believe in economic nonsense. They tend to believe in the U.Chicago school of thought, where by the way, Sen. Obama taught law school, but was considered even too smart for them. This Libertarian maxum is based on a false philosophy created by one Milton Friedman. Friedman was right about one thing, and that was monetary policy, but it had nothing to do with so-called free market policies for which he is so popular amongst non-thinking folks like Libertarians. Libertarians are an intellectual joke. There is nothing liberal about Libertarianism. There is no common sense when it comes to Libertarianism.
To that I agree with the contrarian, Mr. Russo. This blog is based on a lie. It promotes lies and does not fact check. And the very fact that this blogger claims to be a democrat or a liberal makes me sick. Look at the majority of commentors. This blog appeals to the conservative interest. How dare you claim to believe what you don’t. I voted yesterday, and I voted for Barack Obama…I suppose that makes you sick.
October 22nd, 2008 at 1:57 amI think progressivetoledo is a sock puppet.
October 22nd, 2008 at 3:14 amLisa
You know I am rather new to the “blog” arena but I commend you and thank you for all of your efforts.
Just checked out Tim’s rant. Here is how I figure it;
6 Comments on his site versus the 53 on your site
Of his 6 comments 3 are scolding him for his rant on you. So 3 positives in YOUR favor!
2 Other comments (from the same blogger, hmmm) applaud his rant, and of course he commented himself 1 time!
Beyond that I notice that he actually commented more on your site than his own…adding it all up and doing the math and….enough said!
October 22nd, 2008 at 4:37 amKurt – why you keep using ProgressiveToledo when what you do is not progressive, remains a mystery, no one keeps drawing you back except your own desire to slam me, and I have never hidden that I did not vote for John Kerry, I’ve never pretended to be a blind partisan who votes D every time. According to you, unless you lied, you don’t either. But I guess it’s different if it’s me.
Thank you for agreeing with Tim, I’d be freaked out if you would have supported me.
October 22nd, 2008 at 5:10 amInteresting perspective on libertarians progressivetoledo…just shows what a moron you are.
I used to be a democrat and part of the reason I’d left the party is because it was getting filled with jerks like you and Tim who should have joined the SPUSA but, hide in the closet of the DNC.
October 22nd, 2008 at 5:27 amYes! Let’s all hail the “courage” of not taking a side!
Is the Hillary sign still stuck in the flower bed, Lisa?
And hats off to Schwartzie for putting “McCarthy-ism” into the discussion, that always helps.
Carry on…
October 22nd, 2008 at 8:16 amI am amused how so many who don’t even know you personally, have you “figured out.” You are the coolest republican, democrat, liberal, conservative, independent lady I know.
I will be glad on November 5th when all of this bull-stuff stops.
Every year Tent City is held the weekend before the election. Why do almost 1000 people come down?
It is the only place we can go to avoid all the daggone campaign commercials.
Keep up your great work. Appropriately, many people have given you something that so few earn…. and that is respect.
October 22nd, 2008 at 9:32 amWell, Lisa, even when you I may have out most vehement disagreements and upsetments with one another? We will always have this bond to bind us since I was harassed similarly by several bloggers during the primary, you may recall, because I wouldn’t say who I was voting for and just got chalked up to Clinton because I’m female.
My only hope is that you do vote, period, same as for everyone – I don’t really care so much who you vote for. Just being informed puts you head and shoulders ahead. In a democracy, there’s nothing more I think we should expect of voters and even then we don’t expect very much when you think about it, in reality. Not that I think that’s a good thing but it’s how it is.
And that edity thing is making me smile again lol lol
October 22nd, 2008 at 11:16 amI just want to say that Lisa does an awesome job w/ this blog! She checks her facts, submits new facts as they come in. I constantly come to the blog for info on different issues, and I have yet to sign off w/out having the (correct) detailed information I set out to find.
Who ever Lisa desides to vote for is nobodys business but her own! Um..correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t it her right as a citizen to vote for who she feels would do best by our country,and not have to tell or explain her choice? Just because she does a magnificent job at running this blog doesn’t mean she has to give up her rights! In all honesty i would be disappointed if she did.
Now…Tim, I have no clue who you are, but i will say to you that i am a Democrat and voting for Obama. The fact that you tried to use bullieing to try and take Lisa’s RIGHT to privacy, makes me wish there was away to take your right to vote! I am truly embarrassed for the Democratic party that you would attempt such a thing under their name! All i can say is that you are a very sad little man, That you had to sink to such levels just so you could get extra hits to your little site. Glass City Jungle is so popular because Lisa does it right….so instead of attacking her, why don’t you ask her advise on how to be as respected and successful as she is?
On behalf of all the Democrats as embarrassed as i am…Tim,….SHUT UP!
October 22nd, 2008 at 11:42 amWith all the negative comments about Tim Russo in this thread alone, it should be “case closed” regarding Russo’s “prospective” lawsuit against the world (in which a demand letter listed my name with an overwhelming number of other individuals, companies, organizations and institutions).
In other words, Tim Russo is trying to blame everyone else in the world for his problems rather than realize that he is his own worst enemy.
However, I do admit I can be strong-willed at times, but Tim Russo, Eric Vessels-PlunderDUMB, Russell Hughlock-BS Blog, Jerid Kurtz-BS Blog (and sometimes Scott Piepho-PHO’s Akron, Jason Haas-Psycho-HILL-billy Dem, Jeff Hess-Have Coffee Will Write (Like Jill Talks) and Brian Hester (BS Blog’s ModernEsquire) aim regular written attacks toward me. But one thing is for sure, they certainly don’t go to the extreme magnitude that this thread is digging into Russo.
Regardless, ongoing attacks on me by the above people have been initiated and perpetuated by the idiot (IMO) being hit in this thread (Tim Russo) and Mr. Buddha-belly-blog-bully-boxin’ man, Tim Russo’s best buddy, none other than Eric “PlunderDUMB” Vessels.
Now all of you can see how boneheadish these two blog punks get when drinking beer (also check out Russo’s hillarious clown-like hair):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukoWCdnunVM
Also, you have to see this below link related to the BS Blog’s Brian Hester (ModernEsquire). Hester had been semi-successful at being anonymous on the BS Blog until Jeff Hess accidentally outed Hester on Hess’ “Have Coffee Will Write” (Like Jill Talks) blog
BWWAAHAHA – Introducing Brian Hester, the lil “Esquire” Extraordinaire and member of Scott PiePHO’s imaginary “Blog Police” as well as a senior member of the BS Blog Bashing Klan (Hester actually believes that he is a big man when he is typing on his computer keyboard)
October 22nd, 2008 at 12:03 pmhttp://www.sfpslaw.com/index.php?page=Attorneys&minigal=5
# 61 Hickmania Says:
October 22nd, 2008 at 12:03 pm
“Now all of you can see how boneheadish these two blog punks get when drinking beer (also check out Russo’s hillarious clown-like hair):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukoWCdnunVM”
Russo definitely looks like a pervert, in my opinion.
October 22nd, 2008 at 12:12 pmBrian,
I think I am just worn out of the way McCarthy is portrayed. I had 2 classes this semester already that spent time on bashing McCarthy – 3 class periods total.
McCarthy really did himself in with that Roy Cohn deal. Also, the drinking himself to death didn’t help much either.
October 22nd, 2008 at 12:30 pmRogue, I’m sure you’d know if it’s still there or not. You’ll excuse me laughing about your thoughts considering you don’t let people here know who you are.
Hickman, you had a choice and you are the only person responsible for your own behavior. It doesn’t matter what you feel anyone else did, right, wrong or indifferent. It’s still your decision as to do you follow the rules or do you do as you are still doing, try to use this blog to go after other people that did not start anything with you here…
Thank you to everyone else, for respecting that it is my decision as to what I’ll share and not share.
October 22nd, 2008 at 1:52 pm#29 tim russo Says:
“well, lisa, thanks for proving my point… and now that this thread houses half the righty blogosphere’s lunatics, plus hickman, i think we know who you’re voting for anyway.”
Well Lisa Renee, Interrupted Tim and PlunderDUMB Eric have been trying to tie me to Republicans and the “righty blogosphere” while I’ve been working for three separate organizations that have endorsed Obama. Hell, Tim even sandwiched my name between Matt Naugle and Ken Blackwell’s on his “sue the world” demand letter. This was odd positioning on Tim’s and/or Scott Pullins part, even though I am NOT an “odd bedfellow” to Naugle or Blackwell (or Russo or Vessels).
It’s not about being fair, honest and/or accurate for kiddie lover Timmy and buddha blog bully Eric. Instead, it is about them going all-out to tear people down whether deserved or not. Also, it is about them being obnoxious, callous, disrespectful, vulgar and full of as much testosterone as someone such as Timmy and his buddies like PlunderDUMB can muster.
With that in mind, I chose to figuratively push back hard against these freaks of the Ohiosphere (and all their supporting cast). So, the wonder twins have been calling the whambulance by summoning the BS Blog Bashers and by dispatching MommyDaddy Pho’s imaginary “Blog Police”
So, Russo thinks he has justification to “sue the world” … BULLSHIT !! All he needs is a mirror to see a huge narcissist who deserves, more than anyone, to be sued backward and forward and around and about again.
The proof is in the pudding based on the contents of this thread.
October 22nd, 2008 at 3:17 pmI am too tired to today to continue the drama production, one of my family members needed me last night so I did not get much sleep. It’s pointless to rehash the history, what is done is done.
All that matters is our own decisions of how we will treat each other and what consequences come from those decisions. No matter how you feel about Tim or any of them, it was your decision to continue behavior here that you knew would get you banned. Just as now you comment on conservative blogs and write things there that you would not be allowed to write here.
Just as it was my decision to not ban you based on how you acted elsewhere. I was stupid enough to believe you respected me and this blog enough to follow the rules here, it wasn’t that difficult. Just as I didn’t fold to Tim, I did not fold when others tried to pressure me into not letting you comment here. Until your behavior created the ban.
It’s always been up to you Dave Hickman, just as it is up to Tim, I can’t control the behavior of any of you off this blog, but I do have some control over it here and there are so many more important issues to focus on and the only reason why people of a variety of political persuasions can actually comment here is the basic respect most give each other.
October 22nd, 2008 at 4:05 pmSometimes, I took it to the limits of swaying your subjective judgement calls against me, but I never lost respect for what you do on this blog. However, I believe you have been too quick to use the words “sexist” and “misogynist” to refer to people or acts that may or may not represent the meanings of both words.
Most of all, I’ve been troubled by your seeming abandonment of “progressive” ideology in favor of “feminist” ideology. I respect and admire what is “progressive” in you, but I abhored your loose use name-calling by planting the tags of “sexist” and/or “misogynist” on numerous human beings who likely did not deserve to be diminished in such a way.
You might have “control over it here” regarding the behavior of commenters via censorship and banning. But that doesn’t mean I have to submit and agree with your subjective judgements. In my opinion, you are’t justified to blindly determine who gets the dreaded Scarlet Letter branding of “sexist” and “misogynist” when your assertions are not proven beyond a reasonable doubt or some other credible standard.
I would hold anyone to this standard. I did not single you out.
October 22nd, 2008 at 4:27 pmIt’s not a rule that people who comment here have to agree with me, many don’t. This thread shows some examples of a few who really dislike me and they are still welcome here. What you call censorship, I call expecting basic respect, since it is my blog, I have the right to expect that from those who comment here. There is a huge difference in disagreeing and being disagreeable.
I appreciate your clarifying your stance, hopefully you understand mine.
October 22nd, 2008 at 4:35 pmExactly why I’m still addicted to Glass city Jungle….Thank-You Fairy Blog- Mother : ) lol
and I hope your family member isn’t sick or anything happened ….Best wishes to ya.
October 22nd, 2008 at 4:38 pmThanks Gail, I think she’ll be okay, but it created a scenario where I didn’t get much sleep, and I wanted to get up really early this morning, no matter what, family always comes first.
October 22nd, 2008 at 4:44 pmYour use of the words “sexist” and “misogynist” have been “disagreeable,” and likewise your shift from being a “progressive” to being a “feminist.”
I hope you understand why I found the above extremely “disagreeable” in light of everything I’ve learned about you and what you learned about me through the Ohiosphere and our private emails sent back and forth.
You abandoned a “progressive” ally in me by lashing out against me in your furious unyielding support of a moderate establishment DLC candidate named Hillary Clinton (who just so happens to be a woman).
Your labels for me at the time were unfair and IMO your basis for banning me was more related to “sexist” and “misogynist” theories Jill Miller Zimon was throwing around at the time, than anything else I may have done.
It is not that I’m claiming complete innocence regarding my actions, but I strongly believe that I was not acting based on “sexism” or “misogyny” in any way shape or form. I, as a progressive, simply couldn’t stand Hillary the moderate DLCer. I made sure her supporters knew this fact
For the record, I was not an Obama supporter in the beginning. In fact, I was more of a John Edwards supporter with a part of me supporting fellow Ohioan (and fellow progressive) Dennis Kucinich.
October 22nd, 2008 at 5:00 pmWow. Sorry my post was in respose to hick #71 that seems to have been deleted
October 22nd, 2008 at 5:15 pmThat’s not why you were banned, it was much more than you just disagreeing with me on Clinton or gender issues, there is a way to facilitate discussion and a way where you are attacking/insulting no matter what you feel is disagreeable. We’ll have to agree to disagree on gender issues but I am entitled to my feelings and opinions based on what I have personally experienced whether you agree or not. You are not a woman, nor have you experienced what I have so there is no “right way” I must feel despite what you may think. No one says you have to agree with me, but you have no right to tell me how I feel is wrong. You aren’t me.
Same for whether you feel I meet your definition of what progressive is, or is not. I’ve never pretended to agree with all of one party platform nor have I ever been nor will I be blinded by partisanship.
I’ve already told you that I really didn’t want to continue this today, so hopefully you will take what has been written, think about it and as I said before, it’s always been up to you. If you can’t do what I ask to comment here? Then we’ll be right back where we were before.
I could have just done that and not even attempted to discuss this with you. So whether this is a second chance or a brief respite in our comment/delete battle is up to you.
October 22nd, 2008 at 5:22 pmTroy, I didn’t delete it, and it’s not in the spam catcher – it came through in my email, but it’s not here on the blog. That’s strange.
October 22nd, 2008 at 5:25 pmOk. What happened was when I submitted my post it became #71 and the original hick #71 was gone. It made my post look stupid so…
October 22nd, 2008 at 6:59 pmOkay – I haven’t deleted any of his comments on this thread today, but Holly said the blog was acting funny earlier – maybe some type of a strange glitch.
October 22nd, 2008 at 7:08 pmI added a paragraph to the bottom of #71 before the 10 minute window for editing had expired. This action may have triggered something that effected what Troy Neff is explaining in #72 and #75 ????
October 23rd, 2008 at 10:08 am“Rather stupid, and it’s why I don’t get involved in the drama side of the blogosphere. ”
But now, the drama is here.
October 23rd, 2008 at 10:26 amYes, it is NC, I had two choices, address it head on because part of the reason why this continues is because people don’t speak out on it or ignore it, knowing that this increases the odds that the next “victim” of this type of behavior will feel as if they have to just take it.
In smaller versions, the same type of behavior Tim leveled at me has been done here by others. I am hoping the level of hatred and lack of respect tones down after this election, if it doesn’t, I’m going to have t take a serious look at this blog and what I’m going to do in the future.
October 23rd, 2008 at 10:34 am“I had two choices”
Three, really.
Ignore the opinion.
Sticks and stones…..
October 23rd, 2008 at 10:45 amI feel lately Glass City Jungle is turning into a Toledo Talk or Swampbubbles Version 2.0 with their usual pointless diatribe. IMHO, with all the recent nasty pot shots, it’s truly uncalled for.
October 23rd, 2008 at 10:53 am“knowing that this increases the odds that the next “victim” of this type of behavior will feel as if they have to just take it.”
Victim? Of what? Offering an opinion.
This is why many of us, keep our names and personal details off the web and usenet.
Put info out there or discussion and people will respond and comment and not all the discussion is tactful or even on point, nature of the beast, as you know.
Is there any real relevance to what a person writes on a blog? It is all opinion for the most part.
I mean, some one writes something and then some one comments and then the school yard taunting starts, and she started, nah uh, he did, and so on.
October 23rd, 2008 at 10:55 am“with all the recent nasty pot shots, it’s truly uncalled for.”
Well, ya.
And the better person, lets it go and does not pick it back up and continue it on again.
October 23rd, 2008 at 10:58 amNC, I’m not going to hide behind a user name, nor should I have to deal with any of the “drama” just because I’m blogging. People shouldn’t have to deal with retaliationistic behavior for doing nothing wrong beyond not supporting someone else’s candidate. Nor should their families.
If you want to believe you are the better person because you’d personally ignore it? Good for you. Even those of us who do try to turn the other cheek eventually get tired of being slapped.
Bullying behavior doesn’t go away by ignoring it. I’m not ashamed of the fact that I stood up and pointed out that this type of behavior hurts the blogosphere. I don’t like the way things have been here recently, but ignoring it sure doesn’t seem to have worked.
October 23rd, 2008 at 11:45 amThreats take things above just “drama.”
October 23rd, 2008 at 11:59 amI don’t understand Tim Russo’s burning need to know who Lisa plans on voting for in November. Seriously, it is none of his or anyone else’s business if she chooses not to share that information.
I’m not making my choice public, either. I’m really not all that thrilled/impressed with the two front runners, and I’m not thrilled with the 3rd party people either.
October 23rd, 2008 at 12:42 pm“I don’t understand Tim Russo’s buring need to know who Lisa plans on voting for in November. Seriously, it is none of his or anyone else’s business if she chooses not to share that information.”
Before this I never heard of, or knew of Tim Russo and after reading what he writes, there is no interest for me.
I don’t care who votes for who. I do not care what the media thinks and the media includes bloggers of all stripes.
October 23rd, 2008 at 12:47 pm“If you want to believe you are the better person because you’d personally ignore it? Good for you. Even those of us who do try to turn the other cheek eventually get tired of being slapped.”
I don’t believe I am better than anyone else at anything, matter of face I know that I am no better than anyone else.
I do know, that I do not invite problems onto my family, meaning that I have not provided a name or anything else.
Now, is that a dig at you? Nope.
But we all know by now, all the many years we have been alive, that politics is a dirty business and the net is just another tool in the tool box.
People will look for dirty laundry to hang on the line.
People will into public records for the laundry.
People will use any means they can to prove a point or further it.
I know what it’s like to have threats made against a person, which is one reason why I do not use a name on line or reveal any details, make me better? Nope.
This venue is a great source of information and for the most part a great place to read and discuss topical issues, but bringing up, just an opinion, what another blogger wants to write and then, “it’s why I don’t get involved in the drama side of the blogosphere.”, is getting involved in it.
If threats are being made then report the threats and I guess expect more, because this is America and people are free to express their first amendment rights or practice selective posting as some other media folks do.
Wondering why flames don’t subside when gas is being poured on the flames, kinda shows us the answer.,
October 23rd, 2008 at 12:59 pmWe’ll have to disagree that responding to a series of attempts at bullying, intimidation and threats to point out that not only does it not work on me, but it’s something that the blogosphere is becoming all too known for that it does work on others, and that hurts all of us is pouring more gasoline on the fire.
I have reported what I’ve needed to report, I have not made a huge issue out of but I’m not going to be quiet about things I think are wrong. Yes, it’s impossible to avoid the drama when you get to the point where you feel you have to write about the drama.
My statement on that in the context of how it was worded was to demonstrate that I try to avoid it, I’ve avoided many previous situations that would have created drama but this scenario was one I felt I needed to address. Even though I realized that by not just deleting Tim’s comments, the drama was brought here.
I have given people a lot of latitude, because frankly, I am tired of spending hours trying to make adults who should all know better, behave. That does not mean however, that my personal privacy and the personal privacy of my family should be invaded merely because I have a political blog and I don’t support one presidential candidate.
Many people have faced phone calls and a variety of other threats during the course of this campaign for stating an opinion on a blog, on a newscast, in a newspaper, or from an email, our right to express our opinion and not be personally attacked by people matters to me. Enough to “bring the drama” here.
October 23rd, 2008 at 1:10 pm“our right to express our opinion and not be personally attacked by people matters to me.”
Well, sure it matters to a lot of us.
I have never understood and continue to not understand, the use of the word attack, or the phrase, an attack on a person.
We see it and hear it all the time.
This person attacked another person, when in reality an opinion was offered.
All the fighting in campaigns, fighting for this and fighting for that.
Where does it get us?
Threats and counter attacks, all based on opinions.
Call me what you will, but not late for dinner, please.
October 23rd, 2008 at 1:18 pmI’m concerned that we haven’t heard Timmy chime in on this in a while. Which is REALLY the point.
LisaRenee defended herself and Tim hasn’t been back.
(unless he remaining is anon, which I doubt his ego would allow)
The fact that you stood up for yourself and your family speaks volumes about you and your character.
I like getting these notices in my inbox that there is drama on the page. It is good for readership and you get to discover who feels the same way you do (which it looks like very few like Russo) and in a funny way gauge your sanity.
Lisa, I hope you do vote for McCain-Palin, if not just for the fact that Tim supports Obama.
October 23rd, 2008 at 1:38 pm#79 LisaRenee Says:
“I had two choices, address it head on because part of the reason why this continues is because people don’t speak out on it or ignore it, knowing that this increases the odds that the next “victim” of this type of behavior will feel as if they have to just take it.”
But, Lisa you criticised me when I chose to “address it head on.” Like you, I chose to “speak out on it” and not “ignore it.” Like you, I did not want to have to “feel” as if I “have to just take it.”
However, your response when Russo and friends were attacking me was to join the green jacket brigade, the BS Blog Bashers and the rub salt in my wounds by putting me into your over-generalized grouping of what you termed high “testosterone” bloggeres. You even hosted a session at RootsCamp for ProgressOhio regarding this topic.
Why is your standards different for me than you hold for yourself. Also, why do you automatically consider my comments high “testosterone” simply because I’m a male and chose to “address it head on” and not “ignore it” (similar to what your doing)?
It seems you’ve set a double standard Lisa Renee. You deleted my comments, censored (edited) others and banned me from posting here even though I was defending myself against similar high “testosterone” blogging that you are now combatting against Russo. You know what they say about Karma… don’t you?
Do you expect me to be “victim of this type of behavior” and “feel as if (I) have to just take it” from Russo (and friends) simply because I’m a male? Far be it for me to judge, but how are Russo and friends “attacks” toward me any less significant than Russo’s “attacks” toward you?
October 25th, 2008 at 10:57 amHickman, point out to me where I acted as you have, where I have demeaned others, where I have attacked others and where I have gone about the blogosphere writing insults about other people. Show me where I was repeatedly asked to not write about other people that had no bearing on the topic at hand. Show me where I continued to post on any blog after I was banned for my behavior.
When you find where I have done that, then ask me if I have a double standard.
It’s frustrating even trying to have a discussion with you because you never accept full responsibility for your own actions. I did not upon a whim just because I was offended that you dared to disagree with me or question me ban or censor you. You blame it on others and you seem to think that it’s okay for you to do things that I would not let anyone do here and that somehow if you are singled out, you are being victimized.
You can’t compare you to me, because I’ve never done what you have. That’s why you have the problems you’ve experienced and ended up creating my banning you. This is my blog, and I do expect my rules to be followed and that a basic level of respect for others exist. You can’t even seem to accept the basic point that I could delete everything you are posting right now, since you still don’t seem to get it and I’m not going to spend all day going back and forth responding to you.
I have tried to state this to you, over and over again, you continue to ignore it. You had a choice, you opted to continue knowing what the consequence would be. I had a choice, I opted to continue knowing what the consequences would be. The difference is I’m willing to accept the consequences, you aren’t.
October 25th, 2008 at 11:57 amIn #71 I wrote:
“It is not that I’m claiming complete innocence regarding my actions, but I strongly believe that I was not acting based on “sexism” or “misogyny” in any way shape or form. I, as a progressive, simply couldn’t stand Hillary the moderate DLCer. I made sure her supporters knew this fact”
Lisa, I believe your statement of “you never accept full responsibility for your own actions” is somewhat off. I accept responsibility for my actions that I feel I should (not those that you or anyone else believe I should).
I am not necessarily making an all-out claim that I’ve been vicitmized here at Glass City Jungle. What I have been saying all along is that I believe you are far too quick to throw around the words “sexist” and “Misogynist” as well as tag the methods of debate used by males as being “testosterone” filled. You Ms. Ward are the one who makes many a debate into a women versus men thing. Then you try to point your finger at the men as if they are the ones to blame.
Nope, sorry Lisa, I’m not going to agree with you on that one when you over generalize and intitiate flame throwing by calling out the opinions of men as being “sexist” and “misogynistic.” In some cases, you may be right. But if I could read every guys mind that you’ve accused, I’d bet that less than 25% are being “sexist” and less than 1 percent are being “misogynistic.”
So, I’ll use your own wording…
“You can’t compare you to me, because I’ve never done what you have. That’s why you have the problems you’ve experienced”
With that in mind, you then say “I could delete everything you are posting right now, since you still don’t seem to get it”
Go ahead Lisa Renee Ward… Go ahead… I’m “willing to accept the consequences.”
October 25th, 2008 at 12:34 pmAs usual, we have a communication problem. Rather than accept the fact that I have gone way beyond what I would have to do considering some of the things you’ve written about me elsewhere, and via email and via repeated posts that were deleted and the way you behaved here, I gave you chance after chance in this thread to discuss it.
That’s what that sentence meant. This is a circular argument where you keep trying to say your being banned was because I took issue with what you disagreed with me on and I keep saying that was not it. If anything, I’ve demonstrated time and time again that I can handle it, without running out there everywhere and crying about being “victimized” I point out what I disagree with it, why I feel the way I feel and I move on.
You never have taken responsibility for what got you banned and since you want to keep making this be about you, let’s make this about you for a moment. You didn’t care if other OSU students could not access this blog to comment because of your behavior because you knew the only way I could totally block you was to block them. You never stopped to think about what consequences I was willing to face to let you comment here after you were banned at almost every other left blog. You proved all of those who emailed me that they wouldn’t comment here if I let you comment here, and how you would not act civil that you would act on my blog the same way you did on theirs, that how could I let you attack them, etc., etc., you proved all of them right.
I was the stupid one who actually defended you and stated that you respected the rules here and contributed to the conversation, that they were wrong about you, that you did have something to add to the discussion. I wasn’t proud of the fact that I banned you, it proved them right. I stood up for you then, the same reason why I’m standing up for myself now, because I felt it was the right thing to do.
Right now Hickman, how many other bloggers have actually even tried to have this type of a discussion with you? Who else has tried to see if despite everything that has happened a common ground of understanding could be reached?
October 25th, 2008 at 12:59 pmThis is like trying to reason with Russo. I’m scared for you LisaRenee…remember, “No good deed goes unpunished.”
I’ve read Hickman on other blogs and he seems to be hyper-sensitive being called ANYTHING.
Hickman, its her blog she can manage it however she wants. She can edit you, ban you or whatever she wants. Her editing or banning you isn’t censorship because you express yourself on your own blog and exercise your 1st amendment right.
Hickman, you have been called names. Suck it up.
Let me put it in terms you will understand.
Quit crying like a little girl. lol
As Russo would say Boo-hoo, Whaaa!!!
Maybe this thread should be changed to “Hickman’s Predictable Behavior.”
October 25th, 2008 at 1:26 pmDion, some would say it’s a character flaw of mine that I go too far at times to be fair, and that I invest much more of myself than I should for people and for causes that others would just walk away from.
I think we both know people like that.
October 25th, 2008 at 1:50 pmCan’t you just block that guy somehow? Talk about a thread killer.
Or hijacker I guess I should say.
And for the record, and I know many people have NO manners at all – but the standards still exist even if they are completely ignorant of them – it is very bad and rude behavior to inquire about how someone votes or voted.
It is unacceptable and boorish behavior. Obviously some are lacking in their upbringing and needed to be told.
It is also rude to discuss religion or politics at dinner.
It is also rude to chew with your mouth open or arrive at the table with your fly unzipped.
(I figured they must need to be told these things as well since they don’t know how uncouth it is to ask someone how they voted).
October 25th, 2008 at 1:51 pmHe was blocked from a variety of ip addresses, then he started posting from OSU which meant I would have had to ban everyone from there who commented, which I did not want to do. Prior to this thread of allowing him a chance to have his say, I deleted comments that he posted because he was banned and it was clear the behavior he was banned for did not stop. It almost became a game for him where he would post where he was commenting from.
I was trying to give him the benefit of the doubt, I could again be shown that is a mistake.
October 25th, 2008 at 1:56 pmRunning a blog isn’t quite as easy as it looks. I am sorry that you’ve had the hassles that you have had.
Sometimes I wonder who gave these idiots a keyboard.
October 25th, 2008 at 2:02 pmLR’s a hero for even trying….I run a website and only check it like 3 times a month. I can’t imaging having to check a blog 3x’s (or more) a day THEN having to decide what to leave, what to delete (who to ban)
Madd props, 4 skilz!!!
October 25th, 2008 at 2:11 pmOr this proves how crazy I am Dion and Kate.
I had no idea when I first started this two years ago that it would be so time intensive to handle the actual “running the blog” part of it.
At times it is tempting to just walk away from it, then I remind myself that it is worth it. Most of the time.
October 25th, 2008 at 2:13 pmI think it is worth it – but we should remember that if we wouldn’t take time out of our day to talk to these assholes if we ran into them on the street – it isn’t worth it to talk to them online.
Unless there’s a gross abuse (like the one here) I’m just going to scan by these idiots because there really are people who are interested in the exchange of ideas and information. Tolerant and progressive people.
Like you – I’m not willing to give up talking to those people because assholes prove themselves to be assholes again and again.
October 25th, 2008 at 3:12 pmI’ve made a concerted effort to respect Lisa and her endeavour.
I also understand and respect the intent of this specific blogsite.
It’s been somewhat difficult to hold myself in check on certain issues or posters, but I’ve enjoyed the mature opinions a majority provide to enlighten me.
Then you have the typical douchebags that would rather start problems just because their stupid ass personality allows it. Those are the ones who envy your contribution because they know they’ve failed in their own personal goals.
This would obviously include David.
Takes all kinds to make a community.
Look just at what this election has done to relationships within the Democratic Party as an example. So much for respecting another’s position.
October 25th, 2008 at 3:25 pm