Jan Scotland has a number of tax liens past and present…
Some of the calls and some of the emails and postings have suggested that there is something more to the story as to what happened yesterday with the whole filing mishap with Jan Scotland. I have no way of knowing if the information I found on the Lucas County Common Pleas website has any connection to what has happened, but Mr. Scotland himself personally and his insurance company have liens on taxes to the State of Ohio and to the Department of Worker’s Compensation. Some of the case numbers were duplicates being filed under both Mr. Scotland and his business, so removing the duplicates:
These cases are listed as still active which means they have not been paid:
G-4801-LN-200808928-000 SCOTLAND STATE FARM – State of Ohio Worker’s Compensation – $1,291.83 filed 7/07/08
G-4801-LN-200804673-000 SCOTLAND JAN K – Department of Taxation State of Ohio – $14,115.18 filed 3/24/08
G-4801-LN-200802801-000 SCOTLAND JAN K – Department of Taxation State of Ohio – $14,686.67 filed 2/08/08
G-4801-LN-200204053-000 SCOTLAND STATE FARM – State Insurance Fund Premium – $556.38 filed 5/30/02
G-4801-LN-200303269-000 SCOTLAND STATE FARM – Withholding Tax – $637.67 filed 3/25/03
These cases appear to have been paid on 5/30/07:
G-4801-LN-199804814-000 SCOTLAND STATE FARM
G-4801-LN-200004980-000 SCOTLAND STATE FARM
G-4801-LN-200204797-000 SCOTLAND STATE FARM
G-4801-LN-200206353-000 SCOTLAND STATE FARM
G-4801-LN-200305303-000 SCOTLAND STATE FARM
G-4801-LN-200308549-000 SCOTLAND STATE FARM
G-4801-LN-200308550-000 SCOTLAND STATE FARM
G-4801-LN-200303270-000 SCOTLAND STATE FARM
G-4801-LN-200602287-000 SCOTLAND STATE FARM
I did not check the records for the Lucas County Common Pleas Court prior to today, I should have but I assumed considering how well known Mr. Scotland was in the business community that had there been anything out there, there would have been rumblings/rumors about it. From what I understand the question normally asked of a candidate when screened, “Is there anything in your past we should be aware of” was not asked of Mr. Scotland so I’m not certain if Jon Stainbrook or anyone else within the party is aware of this information, though it’s clear some of Jon’s associates are as expert as I am when it comes to looking up public information.
I’ve been researching this and double checking/triple checking the information for a few hours, I contacted Michael Miller of the Toledo Free Press and informed him about what I found. The newspaper had Mr. Scotland’s contact information, so prior to posting this information, I wanted someone to contact him for his response to these tax/legal obligations. He has not returned any of their messages, and apparently WSPD has already announced the story, so if that part of the story changes it will be online at the Toledo Free Press website later today. I’ll update to let you know…
Updated: The following was obtained by Justin Kalmes of the Toledo Free Press from Jan Scotland.
Scotland said party officials asked him if he had outstanding issues to clear up. He said it was then he told them about his tax issues. He said his accountant is working on addressing the matter with the state that some of the amounts are overstated and he may wind up paying less than those documented figures.
A longtime businessman, Scotland said he has had to deal with tax issues in the past, most of which he has resolved. “I don’t consider them particularly overwhelming because it’s something I’ve dealt with since I’ve been in business,” he said. These back taxes had no part in the party’s missing yesterday’s filing deadline to place his name on the ballot to run for the Lucas County Board of Elections, he also stated.
While it’s clear some of these issues stem back several years, one case to 1998, the court records of those paid all share the same date of release – 5/30/2007.
Wow, this is rather shocking. It is hard to believe someone would put themselves on the ballot with stuff like this in their background, I sure wouldn’t. Did he think this wouldn’t come out at some point? Crazy!
August 21st, 2008 at 4:33 pmHopefully he’ll return one of the messages left by the Toledo Free Press and we’ll learn his side/position on this.
August 21st, 2008 at 4:36 pmThere is so much to be said, but I will leave it at simply saying that I attended the LCRP executive committee meeting where we endorsed Scotland for the commissioner race and this issue WAS NOT raised, despite an attempt by a few of us to ask questions of the proposed candidate. The members present at that meeting were not told of this very serious issue with a (then) potential candidate. If someone at the party was aware of it, they withheld it from the voting executive committee members.
August 21st, 2008 at 5:07 pmThanks DeeDee, I had talked to one person who stated that question was not asked at the Executive Committee meeting, so your comment confirms that part of the information.
August 21st, 2008 at 5:10 pmFrom Michael Miller to me, within the last half hour, Jan talked to Michael and told him the party knew of his problem. It is certainly likely but just my speculation that Jon knew and kept it hidden.
August 21st, 2008 at 5:44 pmWell, I guess it’s not hidden anymore, I should have checked sooner…
August 21st, 2008 at 5:47 pmJon’s utter incompetence just keeps getting deeper by the second. The bad news for all true Lucas County Republicans is that Jon will not resign unless we help turn up the heat on him.
I encourage every true Republican that is as angry at Jon’s incompetence and subsequent pathetic attempt to blame the BOE for his mistakes to call the Ohio Republican Party and lodge a complaint.
The Ohio Republican Party to complain about this issue, the # is 614-228-2481. Ask for Bob Bennett, he is the Chairman. I called earlier and they said they had received multiple calls on the issue, but every Republican should be calling. We need to melt their phone lines!
August 21st, 2008 at 6:00 pmI am a budding conspiracy theorist – is it “interesting” that three of the cases were filed in 2008? Were they filed after he was endorsed and announced his run against a commissioner who is a Democrat?
As far as his decision to run for office with business tax issues, I don’t know that its such a poor decision. The issue being raised is, however, demonstrative of what a candidate must be willing to endure to gain office.
Many of the best and brightest choose not seek office because of this scrutiny. I for example might have engaged in some “questionable” Internet searches in my time…and as a pure as the driven snow conservative – how dare I place myself in the pubic arena amidst such personal hypocrisy.
Agreed, a potential commissioner’s ability to properly handle money and business is relevant, but the fine tooth comb examination any political candidate must undergo is appalling.
TAHL
P.S. Yes, I noticed I unabashedly placed myself among the “best and brightest.”
August 21st, 2008 at 6:04 pmAs a former business owner myself – and someone who has faced the long arms of state and federal liens – I wouldn’t get too worked up about Worker’s Compensation or Department of Taxation liens. There can be a ton of reasons why an honest businessman got smacked with leins, ranging from problems with the payroll processing firm, accounting, or the dreaded state audit.
The first time I got audited by a bloodsucking vampire from worker’s comp (err, I mean auditor), the guy came out to my office and I gave him every document he requested. While he was working, we engaged in some small talk about my business.
I thought he was just making conversation, but the dude was laying a trap. When he got done, he said: “Some good news here, as it looks like you overpaid your employee’s premiums by about $1100.00 over the last six years.”
Hey, not bad, right? But then he continued: “But you listed yourself as ‘administrative personnel’ on the payroll reports, which I am not allowing. You told me you drive to your units, that you sometimes help in the restaurants, and that you sometimes engage in repairs of equipment.”
So instead of paying one-half percent of my wages at the adminstrative rate (I was CEO of the company), he took six years of my wages and multiplied it by 4-and-one-half percent, meaning I owed the BWC over ten thousand dollars in back premiums, plus interest and penalties.
That there was one nasty lien, even though I faithfully paid all my premiums as due. It took me years to dig out from that one, and you want to know what was especially stupid about the premiums? As a company officer, I was never even entitled collect worker’s comp for any on-the-job injury I might have sustained!
I had other audits as well with the state unemployment and Dept. of Taxation. Funny thing – auditors never seem to find many errors in your favor, but at least these were more of the nickel-and-dime variety. Still, if you don’t pay ASAP, the state runs straight to court and files a lien to protect their highway robbery (I mean audit findings).
Then there was the time when the State of Ohio went on a fishing expedition years after I sold my business and sued me for withholding taxes they claimed I owed. This was about 13 years after the fact, and almost a decade after I ended my run as an entrepreneur. Luckily, I filed pro se and ended up beating this bogus nonsense without spending ten grand on attorney’s fees, but had I ignored the single letter notifying me of the court case, I would have faced a lien in the amount of $14,000.
So, it is with much experience fighting the Leviathan that is the government that I am unwilling to criticize Jan Scotland for liens and state actions in court for business-related judgments. I fact, I think that it is the rare business that has successfully extricated itself from the rifle sights of the state without getting squeezed for more and more taxes.
The fortunate businesses are the ones who can pay the state extortion (I mean, auditor’s findings) in 30 days. For small business owners, $5K or $10K is not something they keep around in a cigar box, and by the time the state heaps on those usurious late fees and penalties, it doesn’t take long for such a liability to double.
August 21st, 2008 at 6:46 pmVoters generally don’t care about this sort of thing. We all live in fear of the government finding fault with our taxes and slapping heavy lines on us.
The DeWine people thought they had an October surprise on Sherrod Brown when they came out with the fact that he’d been delinquent on his taxes once upon a time. The electorate just yawned.
Of all of the issues in play in this matter, this is the least significant.
August 21st, 2008 at 7:02 pmI find it interesting DeeDee that you said that the executive committee endorsed Mr. Scotland. Did the committee actually vote to place him on the Ballot as required by law? An endorsement is not the same.
By the way, did the Central Committee give the executive committee the authority to substitute candidates, also required by law?
I sure missed that meeting if they did.
I believe you are a lawyer. Did you bother checking this out.
You really have to look hard to find such gross incompetence.
August 21st, 2008 at 8:11 pmI guess that I am glad that we don’t elect more businessmen like Scotland to office. He seems to be unable to handle money. We have enough politicians like him.
August 21st, 2008 at 8:33 pmMatthew Bartow laughs in the face of tax liens:
Link
August 21st, 2008 at 8:35 pmAnother shocker! Now why hasn’t that rogue person posted something about how matthew bartow kicks cats?
interesting that anytime bartow is criticized here comes that rogue guy and the cat kicking begins. does that mean rogue is bartow? or is it the skid mark? hmmmmmmmmm………..
I did hear he had some domestic violence issues but i did not hear it was a cat he was after.
August 21st, 2008 at 10:26 pmJenny – Pursuant to Article VIII, Section C.3.g of our bylaws, the Executive Committee has the authority to “Fill vacancies in party nominations occasioned by the withdrawal or death of persons nominated as party candidates as specified in R.C. § 3513.31.” The vote we took, as I recall, was to place Scotland on the ballot as an endorsed Republican. There was no confusion at the meeting about exactly what we were doing.
In addition, the by-laws are adopted by the Central Committee so, yes, the CC gave the Exec Committee this power. I’m trying to remember the last time our by-laws were confirmed or amended. I don’t think it was at the June reorganizational meeting, but maybe we did confirm them. Prior to that, I believe some changes were made several years ago. Either way, when they were last confirmed/amended was when the CC gave (or continued the practice of) the Exec Committee the authority as required by ORC.
August 21st, 2008 at 10:48 pmLoL, it’s my opinion that as long as we owe the government, it’ll never be poor!
I’m running downtown to pay my parking ticket so I can still be qualified to post here!
August 22nd, 2008 at 7:24 amThis is just my opinion but Mr. Scotland would be the perfect person to try and get a handle on the high rate of taxation we face here in Lucas County and the whole State of Ohio. He is dealing with how these taxes hurt not just small business but business as a whole. He also knows how this affects the residents of our area. He, as a private citizen and business owner, is more able to sympathize with the over-taxed taypayers of Lucas County more than any current commissioner that has always lived off the public dole. The current dolts think the taxpayers are an endless source of money. Mr. Scotland knows first hand by the excellent investigation of LisaRenee that the high cost of doing business and the high rate of taxation in Ohio hurt residents and business alike. It’s time we get people in county positions that know what reality is. How many of you in your own lives have faced choosing each month what to pay and what can wait. How many of you write out a check every January and July for your property tax? Believe me once you start doing that it makes your really angry.
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:00 amPam, I’m all for regular people running for office, yet I’m also tired of candidates not being forthcoming with information like this on their own. Not that it matters now, but had he first focused on taxes and talked about what a challenge it is to be in business in this climate in Lucas County he could have minimize what some will see as a negative and he might have gained support for being honest about what he’s gone through.
Everyone has negatives, but when you are campaigning you want to be the one to address them first…
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:09 am#13 Lonnie,
Bartow pays taxes? Is there a special form on “ill-gotten gains”?
#14 meghan,
And I talked good about Wack, too. I wonder which one of the voices in my head will start talking good about you?
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:18 amLisa,
I wonder if Mr. Scotland did disclose this to the LCRP. Maybe Mr. Scotland would have addressed this issue after things were made official. We will never know that because Stainbrook didn’t do his job.
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:26 amI still think it was Mr. Scotland’s job to oversee the ballot process. Where is Harry Truman (the buck stops here) when you need him??
August 22nd, 2008 at 9:42 amScotland and Stainbrook are both to blame here. This is a special situation and both had filings. As I understand this the party had to file Scotland as a replacement candidate with some type of letter and that info needed to be accompanied by a letter from the candidate accepting that role. In a normal filing for candidacy a candidate is pretty much solely responsible for his petition filing.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:42 amBartow and unpaid tax liens… no tell me it ain’t so. He is in a rock and a hard place on this one. Does he admit his primary “income” is from theft and risk bringing the cops in on him or does he dodge his taxes so as to not admit he is a thief? Hmm….. decisions, decisions.
August 22nd, 2008 at 11:57 amThanks for shedding light on why Mr Scotland might have these tax liens against him, History Mike. It just makes a person wonder if it really is worth it to open and operate a business and work for one’s self in the State of Ohio. (I’m sure things are basically the same everywhere else).
August 22nd, 2008 at 12:58 pmPost # 17 — Be careful who you call “dolts”. The real “dolts” may in fact be the ones who can’t qualify for the ballot, because they can’t read. And then they refuse to take responsibility for their mistakes.
I thought the GOP was the party of personal responsibility.
August 22nd, 2008 at 1:36 pmRobin:
I know that I personally would never own a business again, unless it was a one-person non-retail operation formed for the purpose of, say, protecting my intellectual property or something along those lines.
Between the claws of the state, employee theft, robberies, and lawsuits from every twit who stubbed his toe on your front doorstep, I was burned out when I called it quits in 1999. Ten years of those headaches were enough for me, and even the more profitable years did not make up for the cash I ultimately lost.
Still, there is much to be said for wisdom, and I received two lifetimes worth of that commodity when I owned a business.
As far as Ohio versus other states: I have only managed businesses in Michigan and Texas plus the Buckeye State, and my experiences were pretty similar in each state. I think that those who don the cap of “entrepreneur” face a tough regulatory struggle anywhere they go, and there are always parasites (both internal and external) who think nothing of ripping off a business. Businesses that turn higher profits are just better able to handle taxes, theft, changing market conditions, and natural disasters than businesses straddling the margins of profitablity.
I agree with Lisa, though, that full disclosure is a good thing for a would-be politician, because these liens could be interpreted to mean that Scotland was hiding something. However, as an ex-business owner, I’m sure that Scotland viewed these as just another humdrum day in dealing with the state and not as they might be seen by a news organization or a voter. In ten years of owning a business with five retail locations, there was probably not a month that went by without someone suing or threatening to sue my business for any number of reasons, many of which had little vaildity.
Guy find a piece of plastic wrap on his pizza: “I’m going to sue for pain and suffering – I could have choked to death!” A customer backs into your sign: “I’m going to sue because it wasn’t painted yellow!” An old vendor “discovers” unpaid invoices from two years ago: “I’m going to sue unless you pay!” An employee has a car accident while wearing the work uniform and admitting they were running an errand: “I’m suing you, too!” Guy burns his mouth on hot pizza and threatens to sue because the box didn’t say “Caution.” Guy without any documentation says your food made him sick and he spent three days in the hospital where they “poured nasty green liquids” down his throat and demands money or he’ll sue. Guy is picking through your dumpster, then slips and falls, and tries to sue because you didn’t put rock salt out back next to the dumpster (all of these real, and all of these were just the tip of my former legal iceberg as a business owner).
And on, and on, and on. You just get jaded, and stop treating a looming civil lawsuit as anything more than another cost of doing business.
August 22nd, 2008 at 2:05 pmAll true scenarios Mike, in this case though we are dealing with taxes and worker’s compensation as well as other payments to the government and not lawsuits filed by others against a business.
Considering the amount of time I spend researching court documents, there are a huge number of businesses in Toledo/Lucas County that do pay their taxes and other governmental fee requirements. More do than do not…
August 22nd, 2008 at 2:33 pmAbe, I really hit a nerve with you, don’t I!!!!!!!!! I will continue to call Larry, Moe and Curly, dolts or any other name I think of as long as they continue to run our county into the ground. I am a taxpayer and as such, I am their boss. If the job they are doing angers me, it is my civic duty and right to complain. More and more people realize this county is in real trouble. This is our home, we want this area to grow and prosper.
You know Abe, the dems have their fair share of problems. Personal responsibilty is not just a one party issue. I seem to remember an area democrat that blamed his son for the pornography that appeared on his computer during a Powerpoint presentation. Later he admitted this was his doing and we can not forget the Marc Dann shenanigans. Locally we can all remember a certain democratic golf outing and don’t forget Carty Finkbeiner and his behavior. Not in any one of these instances did anyone involve take personal responsibility. So don’t say it’s just a GOP thing. It’s human behavior. It’s the quality of your character. You have to have a conscience.
August 22nd, 2008 at 2:36 pmThat’s true Pam, no one can claim either party in this area has demonstrated a clear behavior of honesty or morality.
August 22nd, 2008 at 2:38 pmInterview with Michael Miller and then Jan Scotland was on Troy Neff this morning.
August 22nd, 2008 at 2:44 pmLisa,
Politics can bring out the worst in human behavior.
August 22nd, 2008 at 3:23 pmSome would say blogging does too at times.
Especially political blogging.
August 22nd, 2008 at 3:24 pmget em Pam!
August 22nd, 2008 at 4:19 pmThe point is well taken that too many good people do not consider running for public office because of the microscopic scrutiny one must subject her/himself to when doing so. Jan Scotland was an effective member of the Toledo City Council. Although I support Tina Skeldon-Wozniak for re-election, it would seem that if Mr. Scotland should attain that position, he would serve with the same effectiveness that characterized his previous public service.
Saying all of that, it is always best to be as open and honest as possible when running for public office. In addition, Mr. Scotland is not new to the game. He certainly should have known what he was getting himself into when he declared his candidacy. Lisa well points out that there are many people proficient in doing public records’ searches. Nothing stays hidden for long. It is best to be out front with all information.
Having spent 15 years in a small business, I am well aware of the problems faced by entrepreneurs. I am also aware of tax avoidance as well as purposeful tax evasion by many in business. In my younger days, I sometimes ate lunch at a popular eating establishment where the cashier often “forgot” to ring up some of the tabs. When I ate in the same place for dinner, every tab was rung up. I dealt with “vest pocket” coin dealers. They often set up at 20 or more coin shows a year on weekends. Most never charged sales tax and never paid it. I doubt if they declared any of the money they made as income for taxation purposes, since most had full time “5 day a week” jobs.
Many businesses “lose” money according to their tax returns, but their owners still live well. I wonder how? Remember when about 15 or 20 years ago Donald Trump’s net worth was negative $100 million or so? He never moved out of any of his plush homes. It’s ironic that he is now bailing out Ed McMahon.
August 22nd, 2008 at 4:27 pmPam
Simple-mindedness always strikes a nerve with me. Don’t give me the problem, I can figure that out myself, provide to me a solution.
Obviously a man who can’t even get himself on the ballot is not the solution I’m looking for.
Namecalling never solved a problem, Pam. Get involved in a positive way to better the community.
Yes, you have your right to your opinion, but opinions are like heads, everybody has one. Mine is different than yours, but, hey, flail away at the system we all know is wrong. That’s productive.
Peace out Pam, it’s just a discussion after all. Count to ten and breath in and out slowly. It’s called meditation and it appears it would be useful for you to try.
August 22nd, 2008 at 4:39 pmDale, Jan was appointed to finish out a term in 1987, and has not yet held an elected position. I’m curious as to what you remember about his time on City Council that would stand out to you as showing he was effective. That’s not meant as a diss directed at Mr. Scotland, but given the short time he was on council, it seems you might know more than I remember.
August 22nd, 2008 at 6:04 pmAbe, one facet of blogging is the discussion of the problem, sometimes there is a solution, sometimes there isn’t. Sometimes? People use this site as well as others to vent, later coming back with solutions, sometimes not.
It’d be great to think we solved all of the problems of the City and the County here within these blog pages. However, the best we can hope for some days is to find areas we can agree on.
August 22nd, 2008 at 6:06 pmLisa, I am a lifelong Democrat, but I do appreciate those Republicans who are not ideologues. Jan Scotland falls into that category. I don’t remember the specific issues at the time, but I do remember being impressed with Scotland’s common sense approach to city government during his brief tenure. However, there are never any certainties when it comes to elected officials.
I want to reiterate that I have openly supported all three current county commissioners. I really like Tina Skeldon-Wozniak. What I like most about Tina is her willingness to listen to all sides. But neither she, nor any other politician, can please everybody on every issue. The problem I have with too many bloggers is that being open and listening to them isn’t enough for them. If they disagree with an elected official on one issue, far too many condemn that person forever. I always go back to something Howard Metzenbaum used to say when he was campaigning. “You may not agree with everything I say. You may not agree with every vote I make in the United States Senate. But I will make you a Senator of whom you will be proud.” I am proud of the type of commissioner that Tiny Skeldon-Wozniak had been. That’s not to say that I agree with her on every issue.
I also like and respect Pete Gerken and Ben Konop. Ben’s very public differences with Pete and Tina prove that no political party can keep all of it’s members in lock step. As Pete pointed out in his guest column in the Free Press, all three vote the same on most items that come before them, but then so did Republican Maggie Thurber.
August 23rd, 2008 at 2:01 pmThanks for responding Dale, I’ve supported Democrats in a larger number than any other party during my 30 years of voting, but I have not always voted just for Democrats, so I understand where you are coming from. However, my focus was at one time more national than local, so I could have missed something specific. Jan Scotland was appointed in 1987 to Toledo City Council and then lost the election bid for Toledo City Council in that same year, to make an impression like that considering the numbers of Council members who have come and gone since that time, made me curious.
I whole heartedly agree with the quote made by Metzenbaum, I think few of us would find a candidate or an elected official that we agreed with on every issue or on every vote. I also believe our process works best when voters have a choice, that was something I said to Mr. Scotland personally when he was at my home. Or election process is the only time we have an actual say on how we feel our current elected officials are doing, to have almost every single Lucas County official running unopposed to me shows we have a larger failure on the side of democracy than just this one race…
August 23rd, 2008 at 2:13 pmI should add, that it is clear that the temptation was to make Tina Skeldon Wozniak the official to have to face the wrath of voters who were not happy with more than just her performance. I felt that was a direct correlation to there being a lack of choice, since she
iswas the most visible county elected position that is facing an opponent.It’s been interesting that very few have mentioned the Recorder race…especially since it is now the only county race where there will be two names on the ballot.
August 23rd, 2008 at 2:16 pmRepresentative democracy cannot really function when there are no choices. Recently, until this year, it seemed we had a plethora of choices within the Democratic Party alone! While I appreciate party unity, if there is no action from the Republican side in this county, how can the voters have a real opportunity to “kick the bums out” when they mess up?
I really believe that part of the problem is the intolerance of too many voters regarding a single issue. I remember back in the 1970s when the county was under a court order to build a new jail. The three commissioners at the time were Sol Wittenberg, Jim Holzemer, and Bill Gernhauser. Gernhauser was a Republican, the other two Democrats, but just as with Maggie Thurber, he voted most of the time with his colleagues. There were conditions which the new building had to meet. When the final product was announced, our only daily newspaper labeled it a “Taj Mahal” and started one of their vendettas against all three commissioners. Wittenberg was up for election first, in 1974. The electorate bought the “Taj Mahal” attacks and he was defeated. I was at the opening of an alcohol rehab halfway house shortly thereafter. I talked briefly to Holzemer and Gernhauser, both of whom I was aquainted with. As Gernhauser put it, “It’s as though I’ve served in office all of these years with most people believing I’ve done a good job, building up a political line of credit, and someone cancelled all of that good will in one action.”
I have no doubt that the news media — especially our only daily newspaper — are a major contributing factor in the dearth of candidates. While the editors of The Blade (and some others in the local media) seem to leap gleefully at any opportunity to tear down local elected officials, they will concurrently editorialize about how terrible it is that we lack real choices in too many local elections. Who has a thick enough skin to run in this county? Not many!
August 24th, 2008 at 1:25 amAbe you know nothing about me or what I am involved with. I’m finishing what you started with me. I can tell you can’t handle a strong woman. I bet my kind makes you real nervous.
August 25th, 2008 at 12:02 amPam,
I apologize for taking a bad day out on you. There was no reason to go after you as I did. It won’t happen again. Please take this as sincere as it is.
Have a good night.
Abe
August 25th, 2008 at 12:38 am