Blogging w nyelv
Az utolsó hét folyamán nem voltam képes, hogy még egyet is kormánynak találjak entitás vagy ügynökség az az angolnál a közokiratát, tetteket vagy eljárásokat tart fenn bármilyen másik nyelvben.
Ennek a törvényhozásnak a szponzorai és proponensei örömet tudnak okozni választ ad erre:
Ha van egy közelgő nyelvi válság Ohióban, hol van ez?
Az, hogy sok kormányzati entitás vagy ügynökségek hogyan tartják fenn a közokirataikat bármilyen nyelvben az angolt kivéve? Egy, tíz, száz, ötszáz or…. Semennyi!.
Hány panaszt kartotékoltak egy nyelv használata miatt az angolt kivéve bármilyen hivatalos eljárásokban Ohióban?
Van ez csak lehetséges az ott IS nincs válság, az Ohio veszélye legyél angol szabadon választható állam, ahogy Rep. Macklenborg javasol, igazán ne létezz és az a szavak, a nyelv, ebben törvényhozást használnak igazán egy számító, Orwellian út, oszlani nem egyesül a state… állampolgárai különösen egy kritikus választás előestéjén megérnek.
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June 10th, 2008 at 11:04 amSo if I’m just too lazy to learn the common language of the land I CHOOSE migrate to, every business and local government should just cater to me?
June 10th, 2008 at 11:04 amIt’s bigotry to demand everyone speak “english only” in their own home but, it’s plain common sense to have everyone on the same sheet of music while conducting the business of commerce and government.
Typical case of liberalism and diversity going off the edge. This country already has enough divisions without adding an unneeded / unwanted language barrier to balkanize things even further. But, unraveling anything that holds this country together has always been a liberal agenda.
sustutayock hushomume, i lulovuve yockou ruramumonun!!!! my mom taught me that language. someone
June 10th, 2008 at 11:12 amMaybe they aren’t “lazy” Sepp, the way this is written even those coming here and trying to learn English would be affected.
Which was the point. If you or I went someplace else and were confronted with a post like that – we’d have no clue.
June 10th, 2008 at 11:13 amThe entire point is having a common language we ALL understand while residing in the same place. We press 1 for English now because asking people who come here to actually learn English is “counter to diversity” and to hear the libs say it…bigotry!
Making English the “official” language isn’t bigotry or, racism or, anti-diverse as the leftists would have us all believe. It’s a matter of common sense! You simply learn the lingo of the land you’re in.
How about the medical field? Do you want the surgical team doing your or, your kid’s heart operation all speaking different languages and unable to communicate or, does a common language start becomming important you at that point?
Nobody cares what language you speak at home or, with friends but, for conducting business, you’d best be able to communicate effecively or, be prepared to fail. No country can afford that. The American culture of political correctness has made us all too afraid to offend anyone by even asking that they learn our common language and customs.
Try that crap in the mideast or, anywhere else and see how far you get!
“When in Rome…do as the Romans do”
2000 years of advice that has worked for 2000 years effectively.
June 10th, 2008 at 12:01 pmActually in some parts of the Middle East they use English, and the point is not to say people should not speak English but to make sure that those who do not, still have access to our government.
June 10th, 2008 at 12:06 pmSTOP TRICKING MY EYES! JEESH!
June 10th, 2008 at 12:31 pmBut “those who do not”, in reality only means hispanics who do not speak English. Otherwise, signs would be printed in several different languages… Chinese, Polish, French, and on and on. Only one group is given such special treatment.
I would have to ponder for a while whether it’s laziness or arrogance. I once questioned a grandmother about a neighbor of hers being the same age as her, and having attended the same grammar school in this country, but who still had a heavy accent, while nobody in my grandmother’s family did. Her answer was quick and simple – She said: “Those of us who wanted to look, sound, and be American took pride in mastering English.
June 10th, 2008 at 12:36 pmRockets, I’m sorry, Glass City Jungle was temporarily taken over by the Hungarian Government (lol)
Sepp, a recent editorital by the Cleveland Plain Dealer that Jill Miller Zimon shared in some of the email communications several of us Ohio bloggers have had the past week or so on this expresses the main jist of why this bill isn’t a good idea:
“It would be easy but wrong to call the bill – sponsored by Rep. Robert Mecklenborg, a suburban Cincinnati Republican – pointless. It’s just that the point is entirely political: It’s a slice of red meat thrown toward voters who think, for whatever reason, that Spanish-speaking Ohioans are a threat.
“But what voters most agitated about this nonissue don’t know – and the bill’s backers won’t tell them – is that Ohio has, for 200-plus years, accommodated itself to newcomers. Throughout the 1800s, for example, Ohio published some state documents in German because that was the only language many Cincinnatians knew. Yet somehow, the language spoken today at the Statehouse is English (though sometimes it’s hard to tell).
“Gov. Ted Strickland has vowed to veto the bill if its reaches him, and rightly so. The Mecklenborg bill would cancel out much of the good that the state Development Department, Greater Cleveland’s biomedical complex and Ohio research universities do to draw new people, new ideas and new money here.
“The bill is a solution in search of a problem. On this topic, Ohio Republicans differ even from their political patrons. It’s no coincidence, for example, that ATMs of Ohio’s big banks offer customers a range of languages. That’s also true of labels on consumer products made or distributed by giant Ohio companies, such as Procter & Gamble. The world is not going to change because Ohio Republicans want to win or hold marginal General Assembly districts. But the world’s opinion of Ohio would change, and not for the better, if Mecklenborg’s bill gets through the Senate.”
June 10th, 2008 at 12:39 pmTruthseeker, my great-grandmother had an accent, her children did not, my mother in law has an accent, her children do not. Which demonstrates the point that without this bill, it’s something most immigrants to this nation strive for, for their children.
June 10th, 2008 at 12:42 pmAir Traffic Controllers – throughout the entire world I believe English is the language to use. Imaging flying to Mexico and the pilot not understanding flight instructions…
June 10th, 2008 at 1:12 pmLisa, if you are going to go Hungarian on our (pardon my french) azz. I suggest you buy us a round of those delicious, mouth-watering Hungarian dogs from Tony Packo’s.
June 10th, 2008 at 1:37 pmWhat’s wrong with making the government print every form in hundreds of languages to appease its citizens? After all, we can always get more money by taxing the people to pay for it. Think of how many local printers we can keep in business if we force the secretary of state to print their forms in the hundred of different chinese dialects?
June 10th, 2008 at 3:05 pmAh, but you missed my main point. My grandmother’s neighbor was the same age – same generation as my grandmother. All the farm families in that region came from the same northern european region and spoke the same old-country language at home. But some CHOSE not to master English – in the same generation as my grandmother. They went to the same grammar school, had the same teachers, and attended church together in their youth. In this case (and many current cases I believe) it was not a generational thing – it was a conscious choice of one family to assimilate, and another to hold on to old country ways.
I also believe that the more this and related issues are framed as “entitlements” (things like printing signs in dual languages), which they are not, the more the majority of Americans are going to dig their heels in on all of the issues surrounding immigration. These little inky dinky regional wars might appear to be won, but I see this entire issue as waving a red flag in front of majority American public opinion, and it will only harden public opinion on immigration. Of course the governor is going to veto – it’s a political hot potato – he wouldn’t dare do anything else. But voters watch all attempts to have things shoved down their throarts, and file them in their memory banks. I don’t think Strickland will be elected for a 2nd term, regardless of how “teflon” he appears at the moment. And this will be one of the many reasons.
June 10th, 2008 at 5:07 pmWell, they wouldn’t come to the country knowing English automatically, would they? There is a process to become a US Citizen. This bill does not really change anything. Where I am now in California, it’s predominantly Hispanic. I’m sure a bill like this would never pass through California legislature, but even if it did, all signs would still be printed in Spanish and English out of pure necessity.
It’s just good business practice to make sure that the majority of your customers (and citizens) understand what you’re trying to sell.
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June 11th, 2008 at 12:19 amUjvagi nails it.
June 11th, 2008 at 11:21 amThis bill is worthless because there are no Ohio government agencies that retain their records in a language other than English and the bill contains no provisions for promoting or expanding English language training.
A pointless legislative exercise that does nothing to address any of the problems Ohio is actually facing.
Pathetic.
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June 11th, 2008 at 3:04 pmYou rock my socks, Lisa. This is awesome beyond words. My father sent me the audio of his statement on the floor regarding this issue, and 15 minutes later I was still sitting at my computer, slightly dazed, absorbing it all.
Solidarity, sister. Köszönöm.
June 11th, 2008 at 3:48 pmBetsy, I felt the same way when I watched the very first video of your dad speaking out on this issue, that’s why it made sense to me that if I was going to join in, I was going to use Hungarian.
I’m glad the Governor has stated if this bill comes before him that he’ll veto it, but I still think it was important that we share our thoughts on it.
June 11th, 2008 at 4:05 pmHistory repeats itself.
Immigrants come to U.S., citizens react because they are different. Speak different languages and have different cultures and ways and want people to assimilate almost instantly.
Maybe we should the turn the welcome sign off and close our borders.
June 12th, 2008 at 8:57 am“Maybe we should the turn the welcome sign off and close our borders.”
June 12th, 2008 at 9:50 amVery good, very good. For once I agree with you NC!
This is no surprise given your statements.
Tolerance is a bad thing, I guess.
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