Obama gives “the speech” & I look for “the reaction”
As I see it, America is divided, the Democratic Party is divided, race and sex have become an issue in this campaign and race or sex will be a continuing factor depending on who is the Democratic candidate after the convention in November against John McCain. That is the basic point of fact that we have to start from. The speech that Obama gave today was billed as one of the most important of this campaign, and there has been quite a bit of focus in the media and on the blogs, I’m sure more will follow. Let’s start with CNN. The reaction is mixed, there are those who state:
“Obama’s ability to bring difficult issues to our attention and do it with eloquence is why he would make an excellent president”
Followed by comments that state the opposite. Reaction is mixed as well on Talk Left there are those who believe this was like the Sermon from the Mount speech and those who stated comments like this:
My problem with this speech is that it is borne of desperation not inspiration. Obama tackled some toxic topics in this speech, and tried to move us past our present. But there was no courage in this speech. This was making lemonade out of the lemons he was being pelted with. Where was this challenging speech when he was singing about our post-racial future? He has made his campaign money off the message that the future is now and he is the future. But the real truth is that in the present we may have glimpsed the future, but we are still rooted firmly in our past. We have many miles to walk, and I want a leader to guide us, not an eager volunteer to be our poster boy of the future.
At The Huffington Post this pretty much shares the writers thoughts:
Ben Smith: Polar Opposite Of Romney’s Speech… Josh Marshall: Stirring Delivery, Like His Victory Speeches…Chris Durang: “Brilliant, Nuanced, Healing”…Jesse Jackson: Obama Just Turned Crisis Into Opportunity… David Corn: “A Speech Unlike Any Delivered By A Major Political Figure”…Andrew Sullivan: Deeply Christian Speech…
There are those who state, “I think Barack just passed the “Commander in Chief” test and that no one else running would ever be able to do as well” then those who state, “He gave an extended campaign speech that did not address why he waited so long to repudiate his minister… He never showed remorse, this was a speech out of necessity…”
There are those like Rich Lowry who dubbed it “The Throw Your Grandmother Under the Bus Speech” and more from those at NRO weigh in from Charles Murry who says:
Has any other major American politician ever made a speech on race that comes even close to this one? As far as I’m concerned, it is just plain flat out brilliant—rhetorically, but also in capturing a lot of nuance about race in America.
To Thomas Sowell who says:
Equality means that a black demagogue who has been exposed as a phony deserves exactly the same treatment as a white demagogue who has been exposed as a phony.
Obama lost votes, Obama gained votes, people expressing they are sorry they voted for Hillary, people expressing they are sorry they voted for Obama, people deeply touched by the speech, people left untouched by the speech….In spending hours going from site to site and reading the reporting and the comments, I’m left with this thought:
“There is no truth. There is only perception.”
I only read the speech on Drudge this morning. I am always impressed by his speeches. I am not educated enough on some of these issues to say if this is going to help or hurt him. My sense is that this will help get the race back to the issues now. I have read opinions of the speech and see where he did some good on taking the race dialouge to another level and some that were not as kind to him. I would say it is a mixed bag. My sense is that this flap is gaining traction against him with some momentum switch to Clinton, despite his delegate lead. Forecast: more mud and blood for months to come.
Also, I will admit that I did tear up at the end of his speech about the story of his white young volunteer in SC who organized in black areas and at this one event, this elderly gentleman when asked why he was there? Because of this white volunteer. I know I am a softy deep down inside.
March 18th, 2008 at 8:09 pmI’d agree it’s a mixed bag, I don’t think it made a huge difference when it comes to those who already had their mind up. How it sways those who have not yet decided remains to be seen.
I could have told you that you were a softy deep down inside.
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March 18th, 2008 at 8:21 pmObama still has not distanced himself from the hate monger Wright. He still supports the racist. I don’t see how the speech will help him. His core supporters will stay with him no matter what. This kind of reminds me of the OJ murders.
March 18th, 2008 at 8:32 pmIt sounds like he handled the issue in a forthright manner. It also appears from the quotes that he mentions his father being from Kenya. It would be good at some point in time to hear him address his feelings about what his parents named him and what that means at this point in time in history – in this country.
Because I certainly think that’ll be used against him at some point in time, on some level. It’d be nice to have him address it pro-actively rather than reactively.
March 18th, 2008 at 8:36 pmObama won’t admit the real reason he joined the church (this particular church).
As a rich person, schooled at the best schools, and as a pragmaticist, he needed to show the black community in Chicago that he was one of them, 17 years ago when he was building himself up as a politician. That is why he joined Wright, to fit in with the community. And that is precisely why he can’t refute Wright and leave the church.
It is all about politics.
March 18th, 2008 at 8:38 pmI swear, some day someone will acknowledge and appreciate how important speechwriters are…
It’s refreshing to see Obama hired a really, really good one.
March 18th, 2008 at 9:23 pmOr maybe he wrote it himself.
not again- there is really nothing in your two comments that relates to his speech. Your comments are nothing but negative nonsense aimed at Obama.
March 18th, 2008 at 9:32 pmRomney gave a good speech on religion and look where it got him.
March 18th, 2008 at 9:33 pmWell Romney was a robo-candidate – fake as the day is long….
March 18th, 2008 at 9:38 pmSeriously? Why does this even get any press? Does anyone even know where Bush, Cheney or McCain go to church? Fact is…these “good Christian Men” don’t even attend church regularly and never had. To them, church and god is all about politics…
Hell – McCain doesn’t even know what denomination he is.
http://news.aol.com/newsbloggers/2007/09/18/john-mccain-forgets-what-religion-he-is/
Blue Texan summed it up nicely – Republicans: Only Our Pastors Are Allowed To Say Crazy Shit
In the end, I can’t believe we’re still talking about this… The economy is in a downward spiral– Bush and Bernanke are doing everything they can to save their Wall St. friends by driving the dollar into a free fall.
The price of gas is sky rocketing as a result of week dollar and Bush has no clue! http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/2004250068_bush29.html
Maer responded: “A number of analysts are predicting $4-a-gallon gasoline.”
March 18th, 2008 at 9:46 pmBush’s rejoinder: “Oh, yeah? That’s interesting. I hadn’t heard that.”
This is the shit that should be the news! I don’t care what Obama’s crazy uncle said on church on Sunday. I care what my president said at the podium.
It has been said that this particular speech is one that Obama wrote for the most part himself rather than by one of his speech writers.
The speech has been compared to Romney’s by quite a few in the media, it does appear Obama’s was better received by some in that comparison.
There are people out there like Not Again who don’t feel as if they can find anything positive about Obama, there are even some who say they are Democrats. The large irony being that the candidate that states he wants to unite people is the source of quite a bit of division. Then again, in all fairness every time I hear the word unite I think of “I’m a uniter not a divider” so it makes me cringe a bit no matter how sincere the person is who’s saying it.
March 18th, 2008 at 9:49 pmSensor G, that’s a very valid point.
March 18th, 2008 at 9:50 pmIt seems that Barack Obama and I are saying the same thing that we need to have a conversation about race, he says on a national level and I say on a local level.
I also think that this whole race issue is tying up the election and not allowing the candidates to address the other issues.
I do think that having a conversation about race will unite this country and will be especially good for the young people. They do not have to be tied to the thinking and actions of their parents, grandparents and great grandparents.
March 18th, 2008 at 11:33 pmThat’s a very valid point Purnhrt relating to our children, they do have the ability to step away from some of the bias and the pre-conceived notions that some of us have a hard time getting away from.
I actually think you are more right about the local level than the national level, the theory being if enough local discussions are held and progress is made there is a greater chance of moving forward than on a larger national scale. The largest stumbling block I see to both the local and the national is the ability to start an honest discussion, there needs to be enough people willing to get beyond their own perceptions and experiences to see the other side.
March 19th, 2008 at 12:58 amLisa, I totally agree with what you say in your comment. People’s minds are made up and opinions are formed. I dont think it will have much of an impact..
March 19th, 2008 at 1:18 amObama’s preacher is a messenger of hate, something that Obama has listened to for 17 years, and now he wants to lecture us on race relations? How funny is that?
March 19th, 2008 at 5:39 amFirst, I will state it again. We should be electing a president based upon their brain and their ability to lead. Not based upon gender, race, or religion.
March 19th, 2008 at 6:49 amWhen we all achieve that level of consideration then we won’t have to have a “conversation” about race.
We don’t need a conversation what we need is action!
I just finished Bill Cosby and his co-author’s book “Come on People”. Once you have read the book you will understand why I state we don’t need another “conversation” on race we need action.
I will state it again. We should be electing a president based upon their brain and their ability to lead. Not based upon gender, race, or religion.
March 19th, 2008 at 6:50 amWhen we all achieve that level of consideration then we won’t have to have a “conversation” about race.
We don’t need a conversation what we need is action!
I just finished Bill Cosby and his co-author’s book “Come on People”. Once you have read the book you will understand why I state we don’t need another “conversation” on race we need action.
I think that by maintaining his relationship with the rev. wright, Obama has shown poor judgement and a lack of leadership.
I sure don’t want a president who accepts racist talk in his midst without confronting the evil. If this is any indication of how he would “lead” us in dealing with evil dictators, we are in a world of trouble.
March 19th, 2008 at 6:54 amNot Again
What Minister Jeriamiah Wright said in his church, black people all across America are thinking in their homes, are hearing and discussing in barbershops and beauty shops. So I guess we are all haters. Until that conversation is held, America has no future as one people.
Just maybe, there are those who prefer that America be divided, one black one white. As for me and mine we want to see a brighter day.
March 19th, 2008 at 7:13 amnot again,
March 19th, 2008 at 7:15 amDo you unequivocally accept the beliefs of everyone that you are affliated with?
# 22 PURNHRT Says:
“What Minister Jeriamiah Wright said in his church, black people all across America are thinking in their homes,…”
Does this make it right?
March 19th, 2008 at 7:20 am“What Minister Jeriamiah Wright said in his church, black people all across America are thinking in their homes, are hearing and discussing in barbershops and beauty shops.”
It should be some, people are thinking the way of Minister Wright.
I have spoken to some acquaintances and friends that I have and they do not agree with his comments, they understand why he made them, but they do not agree.
March 19th, 2008 at 7:42 amBefore Wright Firestorm, Obama Called for Imus Firing. This tells me it is ok for the rev wright to get away with racism, but not a white guy. I don’t want no biased president
March 19th, 2008 at 7:50 amhttp://elections.foxnews.com/2008/03/18/before-wright-firestorm-obama-called-for-imus-firing/
Obama’s “chickens are coming home to roost”!
March 19th, 2008 at 7:57 amNot Again
March 19th, 2008 at 8:16 amYou don’t want no biased president. You don’t want no president. Show me an unbiased president that America has had. Tell me one.
Ronnie Reagan,
March 19th, 2008 at 8:23 amNeighborhood;
********I have spoken to some acquaintances and friends that I have and they do not agree with his comments, they understand why he made them, but they do not agree.**********
That is my point, your friends and acquaintances are not going to tell yu what they really feel. Most black people are going to tell you what you want hear. Two Americas, one black one white.
March 19th, 2008 at 8:41 amAnd the racist comments are being made in the black churches and barbershops, not the white ones. Seems to me that is where the root of the problem lies.
March 19th, 2008 at 8:46 amRonald Reagan!?!? I would rather you said Bill Clinton!
March 19th, 2008 at 8:49 amNot Again!
Surely you jest. No racist comments made in the white churches! Give me a break!
March 19th, 2008 at 8:50 am# 32 PURNHRT Says:
March 19th, 2008 at 8:49 am
“Ronald Reagan!?!? I would rather you said Bill Clinton!”
Didn’t you see the
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I disagree with your statement about Clinton though, he is definitely biased in favor of fat women.
March 19th, 2008 at 8:55 amNot Again,
Not Again.
March 19th, 2008 at 9:07 am“That is my point, your friends and acquaintances are not going to tell yu what they really feel. Most black people are going to tell you what you want hear.”
And my point is, that the friends and acquaintances that I have do engage in discussion, regardless of our skin color, to suggest that they do not to me, is based on assumptions, based on some emotional level.
Part of the problem is the generalizations, made from all quarters.
There is candid conversation going on, regardless when one hears or sees or is part of it, people can and do discuss these things.
I have a good friend from Ghana and we talk about a wide array of topics, one of them is race and the world issues, he has traveled a lot and seen a lot and live in many places.
If we want people to talk then we as the listeniners must let them know that the talking can begin, but, then again, that means listening and not reacting personally to the talk.
March 19th, 2008 at 9:42 amA person from Ghana has not had the “American Experience” that blacks have had.
Regardless of what your black friends say, when they get with their “homies” the conversation is decidedly different, which is the issue. Two different perceptions and two different perspectives, two Americas one black one white. Can’t get around it, can’t get over it, can’t get under it. The real conversation must begin if we want a future for our children.
March 19th, 2008 at 10:49 amWhy would Obama attend this church for 20 years if he didn’t agree with him?
Why would Obama force his children to listen to this preacher every Sunday if he didn’t agree with him? I wouldn’t want my children brain washed by racist and bigoted sermons week after week.
Obama has no integrity or leadership when it comes to the race issue.
He lost my vote. He is just another spineless politician.
March 19th, 2008 at 10:55 am# 37 PURNHRT Says:
“Regardless of what your black friends say, when they get with their “homies” the conversation is decidedly different, which is the issue.”
It sounds like you are saying that blacks folks do not trust whites and will never be open and upfront with them. I think that is the same way the rev wright thinks.
If blacks are looking to be coddled and begged into a “conversation”, and if it was up to me, they would be waiting a long time for that “conversation” to happen.
March 19th, 2008 at 10:57 am“Obama lost my vote” please use a valid email address when you post and the url designation is for those who have their own blog as opposed to other websites.
Thank you!
March 19th, 2008 at 10:57 am“The real conversation must begin if we want a future for our children.”
Well, sure.
But then, “Can’t get around it, can’t get over it, can’t get under it.”
Well, how do we start then, when the word can’t is used so much.
I do have a deeper appreciation for the people I speak with, then what you are writing, but I cannot take away your opinion, only to say, I appreciate the candor they have shown and the conversations we have had, and without being part of them, how can anyone tell me, what the tenor and candidness of the conversation was.
The question I am asking is, how do we start a conversation, when the perceived divisions are the first thing we hear or read.
Maybe for some, but not all.
We want some form of unity but yet we put demarcation lines in place and then it becomes a me versus you, or them versus us.
How do we discuss without the generalizations.
It seems if we want to bring people together we need to at least try to over look the superficial differences and talk, regardless of what we perceive may or may not happen, and then keep talking and talking.
But there is the can’t do this and can’t do that.
We can do this and do that.
I, for myself, have and will continue to enjoy conversations with people from all races and walks of life.
March 19th, 2008 at 10:59 amNeighborhood:
I am not saying that your relationships with your friends are not genuine, what I am saying is what Senator Obama said in his speech. At this moment in time there are two Americas, one black one white, and neither race speaks honestly with each other but it is possible to do so and actually must be done.
All I can speak for is myself and what I see and hear. In black churches, black barbershops, black beauty shops, black homes and anywhere else black people gather the words uttered by Rev. Wright are discussed, dissected, deliberated and debated. What happens in white homes, churches, beauty and barbershops I don’t know but I do know what my experience is every day, whether in person, on the telephone or on the Internet (blogs).
Not a racist just a realist.
March 19th, 2008 at 11:03 amI am open for any kind of community dialogue. When do we start?
March 19th, 2008 at 11:07 amOk, let’s get started. First of all, what expections do you have relative to the dialogue?
March 19th, 2008 at 11:12 am“Not a racist just a realist.”
Ditto, but a realist in the sense, that everyone is different, different opinions, different hair, different toe nails, different soft drinks likes and dislikes, etc.
“What happens in white homes, churches, beauty and barbershops I don’t know but I do know what my experience is every day, whether in person, on the telephone or on the Internet (blogs).”
There are interracial, and interfaith groups that are speaking, of course they do so quietly and are not the subject of the media as much as the small percentage, because they are speaking to each other and not against each other.
I learned yesterday that Rev. Wright’s views where formed in some form around the Blank Panther movement and from the upheaval of the 60’s.
It is understandable that people would feel justice has not been done and that the time, could be at hand, the same as the First Nation people feel the same way for so long.
But through dialog as we are having, free from the concerns, what people hear or there, will we have the change that candidate Obama speaks of, as biracial person, and as a nation of many races and views.
I have a grand-son, that is biracial and I hope for him that there is change in his future but it begins with us and the younger generations, which we see has some fine examples, and yes, some not so fine.
I have had people tell me, honky, you don’t get it, do ya. After some time and discussion, we saw that we are not so different as people after all, although some have different stations in life, through no fault of their own.
March 19th, 2008 at 11:46 amAnd ya know, my Ghanaian friend suffers racism from the folks here too.
You talk funny, people have said to him.
Funny you look black, but you don’t talk black.
The same as a friend from the Maldive Islands and those from Lebanon.
And so on.
If we would beyond the outside wrapper and see the person, well, now that would be different, but most do.
March 19th, 2008 at 11:51 amIn college, I had some Nigerian friends that we embarrased to be associated with most black Americans they knew.
March 19th, 2008 at 11:55 amwere embarrassed, I meant
March 19th, 2008 at 12:08 pmLet’s keep the dialogue going folks, we seem to be losing momentum.
March 19th, 2008 at 12:28 pmNeighborhood
Here is a good example of what I mean by we (black or white) speak different languages. Where you say that you have a biracial grandson, we would say that we have a grandson. Now if that grandson was seen by the person I (we) am (are) talking to and the question (not verbally) was raised as to his genetics, we would then say, Oh, his mother or his father is white.
AmandaBlake
I know Nigerians, Liberians and Ghanans who thought black people in America were/are all drug dealers, shysters, pimps and prostitutes because that is what they see on TV and hear. Just because our roots are in Africa does not mean that we have had the same experiences.
March 19th, 2008 at 3:00 pmGhanians
March 19th, 2008 at 3:01 pm“Here is a good example of what I mean by we (black or white) speak different languages. ”
Actually what it is, is a good example of assumptions.
I mentioned his racial make up as a point of information, in reference to this conversation.
If I met you and others, I would tell you or others that I have a grand child.
If we want people to come together and listen and speak, we need to drop some assumptions along the way, other wise there is nothing to be gained.
March 19th, 2008 at 8:27 pm# 50 PURNHRT Says:
“I know Nigerians, Liberians and Ghanans who thought black people in America were/are all drug dealers, shysters, pimps and prostitutes because that is what they see on TV and hear. Just because our roots are in Africa does not mean that we have had the same experiences.”
The above is another pitiful example of defensive bloviating and denial. The Nigerians I knew as a college student spoke of their first hand experiences with black Americans, not what they saw on TV. In part, the perception of Nigerians that was communicated to me, is that black americans expect to be given more than they deserve. Much more was communicated, but in the interest of constructive dialogue I won’t go there.
We should continue this racial dialogue, even though Obama’s chances at being president are now slim to none. Slim at beating Clinton and none at beating McCain.
March 19th, 2008 at 8:53 pmnot again– some 40 comments ago I called you out on your nonsense comments in this thread, but you kept going and thereby solidified my suppostion.
March 19th, 2008 at 9:38 pmNot Again,
March 20th, 2008 at 7:29 am“we should continue this racial dialogue”hmmmm……
I thought we were having a discussion about life in America.
Local reaction to the minister and candidate words.
“Area black leaders unfazed by Obama ex-pastor’s views”
http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080320/NEWS09/803200340/-1/NEWS
If it was about life in America, the conversation would not be framed as a reaction from the black community, it would be about a reaction from the community.
It is not, to me, a media bias, it is more of doing the same thing, while saying we need to do something different.
For all the talk of change, the same remains, the same.
March 20th, 2008 at 7:54 amLisaRenee Says: “As I see it, America is divided”
America is divided all right. That is very clear from the recent news casts that show the rev. wright’s hatred of white people.
The Blade even interviewed local blacks that claim, there was nothing unusual about what the rev said, it is mainstream.
So why is a politically correct fool like you mucky worried about what I say? Why do you attack a white person that says what he thinks but completely ignores the blantant racial hatred from wright and others?
I think it is bacuase you are a coward mucky.
March 20th, 2008 at 8:00 amThis report helped me to understand the position taken by some, some, in some churchs and congregations.
“Freedom and Liberation
Dwight Hopkins, a professor at the University of Chicago Divinity School, says black liberation theology often portrays Jesus as a brown-skinned revolutionary. He cites the words of Mary in the Magnificat — also known as the “Song of Mary” — in which she says God intends to bring down the mighty and raise the lowly. Hopkins also notes that in the book of Matthew, Jesus says the path to heaven is to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, visit the sick and the prisoners. And the central text for black liberation theology can be found in Chapter 4 of Luke’s gospel, where Jesus outlines the purpose of his ministry.
“Jesus says my mission is to eradicate poverty and to bring about freedom and liberation for the oppressed,” Hopkins says. “And most Christian pastors in America skip over that part of the book.”
Hopkins attends Trinity United Church of Christ, where Rev. Wright just retired as pastor. In the now-famous sermon from 2003, Wright said black people’s troubles are a result of racism that still exists in America, crying out, “No, no, no, not God bless America! God damn America — that’s in the Bible — for killing innocent people.”
According to Hopkins, that was theological wordplay — because the word “damn” is straight out of the Bible and has a specific meaning in the original Hebrew.
“It means a sacred condemnation by God to a wayward nation who has strayed from issues of justice, strayed from issues of peace, strayed from issues of reconciliation,” Hopkins says. ”
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=88512189
March 20th, 2008 at 8:11 am“black liberation theology” is based on socialist principals of collectivism, big government, redistribution of wealth, and nationlization of business. This is similar to the models practiced in Cuba and Venezuela.
These are the pillars of the Trinity United Church of Christ, the church that Obama has attended for 17 years.
March 20th, 2008 at 8:30 amIt always a chuckle for me, when someone says lets spread the wealth around or create new opportunities, it is some how socialist or communism.
The fiery rhetoric does not dismiss the history in this country with regards to others of different races, religions and so on.
The fiery rhetoric is but what some are saying and then there are the others, that quietly work for change and then there are the others that stand in the way of change and then there are others, that are not sure, and so on and so forth.
Heck, if Jesus wanted equality between people, then I guess that makes him a Socialist.
March 20th, 2008 at 8:46 amI guess it does.
March 20th, 2008 at 8:48 am…if you believe the teachings of “black liberation theology”
March 20th, 2008 at 8:52 amWouldn’t that be, if you believe and and accept and understand what the Bible says?
The words, in the book and other books, are used by people to solidify their beliefs or explain them, just as others use the words to condemn others.
It also could be called White Liberation Theology, as in the whites who use the words to preach hate, against the Jews and blacks an Asians and so on. They want to liberate the country from the evils of others.
March 20th, 2008 at 9:06 am“The words, in the book and other books, are used by people to solidify their beliefs or explain them, just as others use the words to condemn others.”
This is exactly what we saw Wright do in the tapes of his sermons. “God damn America” and he said “It says that in the bible…”God damn America”, etc,
March 20th, 2008 at 9:14 am“and he said “It says that in the bible…”God damn America”, etc,”
If we take his words literally, well sure, as a preacher, I tend to think that he was using the phrase in a religious context or theological context.
There is discussion about the word damn versus cursed.
“1. Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson said America is damned — cursed by God, though not permanently — because we tolerate feminists and queer people.
2. John Hagee says America is damned — cursed by God, though not permanently — because we tolerate Muslims.
3. Jeremiah Wright says America is damned — cursed by God, though not permanently, suffering from hate and division, from bitterness and envy — because we succumb to hating one another.”
http://orthodoxanarchist.com/
Either way, I, did not take it as a slam against, White America, I, took it as another chapter in the struggle that our country is enduring and from the struggle will come good, but, not without some more frustration and pain.
In the mean time, I reminded of the story of the Rabi asked to intervene and offer an opinion between people.
March 20th, 2008 at 9:52 amThe only reason he gave his guilt speech about race was the media forced him out of the closet after these 20 years of supporting the pastor and his racist and bigoted comments.
no way Obama will win the general election now and if they redid the primaries, there is no way he would beat hillary.
March 20th, 2008 at 10:29 amThe sickening part is Obama lecturing America on racism!!!!
What a farce.
March 20th, 2008 at 10:42 amAt least your racism is overt, not again. I posted today on hidden racism and bigotry.
March 20th, 2008 at 11:01 amHillary 08 – even using Bush’s math, Hillary can’t win the nomination…
All she can do is go negative and I promise you she is fast approaching a line that once cross will keep me, my wife and many others from supporting her in the general election if she were to somehow steal the nomination.
March 20th, 2008 at 4:38 pm# 68 mud_rake Says:
March 20th, 2008 at 11:01 am
“At least your racism is overt, not again. I posted today on hidden racism and bigotry.”
What did I say that was overtly racist mucky. And be careful, don’t make yourself look like a hypocrite. I only say this to help you.
March 20th, 2008 at 8:11 pmMucky, I think this blog of yours proves without a doubt your racist tendencies. You need to get your head examined. You are the kook you are describing in your rants. With all due respect.
http://manwiththemuckrake.blogspot.com/2008/03/hidden-racism-and-bigotry-diminish.html
March 20th, 2008 at 8:20 pm# 68 mud_rake Says:
March 20th, 2008 at 11:01 am
“At least your racism is overt, not again. I posted today on hidden racism and bigotry.”
Mucky, I ask you again.
March 20th, 2008 at 8:41 pmWhat did I say that was overtly racist mucky. And be careful, don’t make yourself look like a hypocrite. I only say this to help you.
Mucky, YOU are the racist asshole you accuse others of being.
March 20th, 2008 at 8:43 pm