Fisher gets endorsement from local Democrat office holders
This in via e-mail from the Lee Fisher for Senate campaign:
Lucas County Leaders Endorse Fisher for U.S. Senate
(Toledo) – Leaders from across Lucas County endorsed Lt. Governor Lee Fisher for U.S. Senate today, citing his determination to make Ohio a national leader in clean energy and green job creation.
“Lee Fisher has been a leader in helping us move towards a clean energy economy that will help Northwest Ohio rebuild and thrive,” said Lucas County Auditor Anita Lopez. “We can count on Lee to always put Ohio’s hardworking families first, and his unwavering support of our growing solar, wind and biofuel industries will help create thousands of new jobs.”
“We have seen too many Ohio jobs shipped overseas because of the failed economic and trade policies of the Bush-Portman Administration,” said Lucas County Commission President Pete Gerken. “Lee Fisher is determined to strengthen Ohio’s manufacturing industry by ending tax breaks for companies that outsource and providing incentives for American companies to transition to clean, green energy that will reduce our dependence on foreign oil and combat global warming.”
Lee Fisher is a strong advocate of Ohio’s clean energy industries. Under Fisher’s leadership, Ohio’s Department of Development worked closely with the Toledo-Lucas County Port Authority and Xunlight Corporation to support the expansion of their operations, creating hundreds of jobs in Northwest Ohio.
“I am very grateful for the support of these respected community leaders who are on the ground every day working to tirelessly to improve the lives of the people of Lucas County,” Fisher said. “Together, we will continue our work to revitalize Northwest Ohio’s economy by bringing new clean energy jobs and economic development to the region.”
The following Lucas County leaders endorsed Lee Fisher today:
Lucas County Commission President Pete Gerken
Lucas County Commissioner Tina Skeldon Wozniak
Lucas County Auditor Anita Lopez
Lucas County Clerk of Courts Bernie Quilter
Lucas County Recorder Jeanine Perry
Lucas County Treasurer Wade Kapszukiewicz
Lucas County Engineer Keith Earley
Toledo Mayor Carty Finkbeiner
Toledo City Council President Joe McNamara
Ohio House Speaker Pro Tempore Matt Szollosi
State Representative Edna Brown
State Representative Peter Ujvagi
When are people going to realize that green job creation is a joke? It is not job creation when the jobs are mostly funded by grant money from tax payer sources:
Ujvagi announces almost 1 million in Green Energy Grants for our area, Governor announces over 13 millino in Ohio.
Michigan has been leading the green energy job creation front in this country for the past 10 years. They have offered everything they could to get companies to move there, start there, do anything there that would create green energy jobs. Has it? Of course they have numbers to boast but if you look at the total number of jobs created vs the total number of jobs lost, you will see a horrible statistic of how much green jobs actually cost. I can’t find the numbers (i am furiously looking for an article I read a month or two ago) but all you really have to do is look north with your own eyes and see that it is not good up there.
Am I against green energy? Not at all but I think it is still in it’s infancy stage and needs to prove itself financially and not theoretically. I would love for these ideas to work but the truth is, they don’t yet. They need more time. They need to add value. They need to stop costing us more than they give us.
November 30th, 2009 at 1:50 pmAccording to this from this summer, California has the most green energy jobs and Ohio has more than Michigan, with Idaho showing the most growth. So I’d be interested in your source so we can see why this particular study lists Michigan lower.
November 30th, 2009 at 2:01 pmLee Fisher was in favor of giving away Great Lakes water until his comments threatened to damage Strickland and he had to backtrack. No Great Lakes state can afford a Senator who thinks we owe our water to other parts of the country.
“They need to stop costing us more than they give us.” EXACTLY!
Most of this “green jobs” stuff borders on being a hoax. Sort of like the picture of the polar bear on the ice floe that we see, what?, 500 times a month, which is reported to be a doctored image to begin with.
With that in mind, I was trying to get rid of several history books I have collected over the years – they are hard to toss out. In reading one of them, from the 1930’s, there are some interesting maps of when Michigan – half of the lower peninsula and all of the upper – was covered in ice. Before there were any factories, before any so-called “carbon footprint”. So my question for the so-called environmentalists and self appointed experts on global weather is this: Wasn’t THAT global warming?
November 30th, 2009 at 2:39 pmI mean before the industrial revolution, before that frozen Michigan tundra had thawed, before there were people there – what caused the ice to melt, and wasn’t it a good thing that ice did eventually melt? Hmmmm?
November 30th, 2009 at 2:42 pmI can’t find that article I read, the link was sent in an email and I deleted it (sigh). I saw on multiple articles that Governor Granholm WANTS Michigan to lead the green job growth so I probably made a mistake and thought they WERE leading.
Anyway, in searching for it I found this site, link, that says michigan has almost 97k green jobs. My point is that green job numbers are dubious at best, there seems to be no consitancy in what constitutes as a green job. I read the article you linked Lisa and like the first commentor explained, I think the difference will always lie with how you define a green job. Is a window factory that retools for more energy efficient windows suddenly employing ‘new’ green jobs because the windows are now classified at the right energy efficiency? Same workers but that could be green job ‘growth’ by just reclassifying them, or they fall into the current classification with an upgrade.
November 30th, 2009 at 3:06 pmTruthseeker, I don’t think green jobs in total is a “hoax” — it’s been agreed by many that we need to reduce our reliance on oil and coal for a variety of reasons, including the main factor that they are not renewable energy sources.
As to Fisher? You are right that he did state that, but I don’t think he backtracked because it was harming Strickland, it happened fairly quickly. Link for those who missed it when it happened back in 2008.
As to the overall global warming, I think it’s fairly well established that part of the debate has always been how much was caused by the natural cycles of the planet versus how much has man impacted that.
Doug, I don’t disagree the numbers are not cited equally, which makes comparison difficult and why I wondered what your source was since I couldn’t find anything that referenced Michigan as a leader. What is classified as a “green job” is part of the confusion, especially if Crane’s is stating almost 97k green jobs and Pew is listing .43 percent of the jobs in Michigan are “clean” jobs.
November 30th, 2009 at 3:38 pmgreen jobs = myth
construction workers that install high-efficiency appliances, systems, insulation are counted as green jobs – but they are still “construction workers” using newer technology – same as it ever was.
when the number of units of photovoltaics or wind turbines crank up to mass production, manufacturing costs and efficiencies will dictate where manufacturing will occur. if the current economics persist, they will be made in china or korea.
science R & D for green has some potential growth but nothing earth-shattering and is aligned with other general research that it will not be distinguishable from it. the innovations that local entities like xunlight come up with will cause them to be bought out by major players and patent control will be transfered – allegiance to locality will be nearly non-existent. most of the innovations that glastech had under mcmaster have been transfered and are manufactured elsewhere.
we don’t have the future economic model for the U.S. in place yet. the darwinian capitalism with little regard for democracy or borders is running wild right now.
efficiencies, limited natural resources, and the changes resulting from innovation especially the computer will mean fewer and fewer man-hours needed for employees and wealth will become further concentrated in idea centers and lowest cost manufacturing owners (not workers obviously).
there may be a rebound in the economy marginally but in general we are in a new economy that there is no good model for or way of predicting its future impacts.
November 30th, 2009 at 3:43 pmThe green jobs are a joke!
I still can’t wait for this primary. I expect Fisher and Bruner to rip one another apart. I mean you’ve got the unions on one side(Fisher) and ACORN(Bruner) on the other.
November 30th, 2009 at 6:48 pmEmailgate will blow the global warming scam and this green energy nonsense away.
November 30th, 2009 at 6:59 pmWell, if green jobs are a myth and a joke, then my son is working for a fantasy company that actually pays him a decent wage with benefits, compared to having been laid off then working for a subcontractor installing the new gas reading devices that offered less pay and no benefits. He’s joined by quite a few other people in this area who work for companies related to green energy and we are somehow drawing people to this area, specifically to the University of Toledo for research and development of green jobs.
While I don’t think these new green jobs will be able to replace the number of manufacturing jobs we once had, it is an emerging industry, we can either embrace it or watch as some other area does…I’d also point out that when the internal combustion engine was first used, some thought it would never replace steam…It did…
November 30th, 2009 at 7:23 pmI don’t deny the success of first solar, but, I submit, that the success is largely on the backs of taxpayers here and mostly abroad, such as in Germany. In my opinion.
November 30th, 2009 at 7:27 pmNuclear energy is far more efficient “green” than the production and utilization of solar cells. unfortunately, it is not in line with the political motives of the current administration.
November 30th, 2009 at 7:34 pmefficient and “green”
November 30th, 2009 at 7:35 pmI agree most of the sales have come from Germany. They have also gotten government funding. Would they have been able to do it without it? Probably not.
November 30th, 2009 at 7:42 pmNuclear’s only problem is the disposal aspect, I don’t disagree it is clean energy.
November 30th, 2009 at 7:47 pmSo we are talking about funding a huge new industry in toledo, on the backs of the us taxpayer. Even if you take first solar out of the equation because most of their sales have been on the backs of the European taxpayer. In my opinion.
Is this a sustainable industry for toledo? Or is it just a huge scam by a bunch of wanabees to grab government dollars based on the success of solar cells, the forerunner of first solar. I think ruse will be up for the wannabees soon, look at the fly by night operation (in my opinion) that was so highly touted in Perrysburg, Willard & Kelsey Solar Group LLC.
I think I read in the blade that they were being sued by suppliers. Maybe a couple billion in taxpayer money would solve that problem.
First solar was lucky to get in early. The others will not last, in my opinion. And this will be another toledo failure that everyone banked on for salvation. Just wait and see.
November 30th, 2009 at 8:05 pmLisaRenee Says:
“Nuclear’s only problem is the disposal aspect, I don’t disagree it is clean energy.”
you might ask your son about the amount of hazardous waste generated during the solar cell manufacturing process. Or just google.
And after they have outlived their purpose?
November 30th, 2009 at 8:08 pmWell, we’ll see, I don’t think the green energy industry is doomed to failure, with or without tax dollars. Will it be able to replace some of the manufacturing jobs? No, it won’t. I have a hard time feeling as if the tax dollars given to support it are evil when you consider the amount of money the financial industry and the automotive industry have been given from government. I’d hazard a good guess they’ve received much, much more than green job industries have.
November 30th, 2009 at 8:12 pmI’m learning as to that whole process, as to the waste aspect, which is an interesting aspect of “clean” energy too. Which then leads to the discussion of which one does more harm, nuclear waste, refinery waste, solar waste…
Perhaps the solution is to go back to horses, that waste was easier to deal with in some ways.
November 30th, 2009 at 8:14 pmAll of the “green jobs”, Casino jobs
November 30th, 2009 at 8:19 pmare all a big joke. None of them will
bring the number of jobs or money to the State of Ohio as they state and even if some ever
will happen it will be so far in the future or not at all to help everyone they need to help and they will homeless and starve to death before it ever happens.
LR – you supported my premise that green jobs are a myth with your internal combustion replacing steam analogy. there was no net gain in employment by replacing one for the other, it was merely a better technology. green building contractors will replace “conventional” building contractors. battery exchange stations will replace gasoline stations. health food restaurants replace greasy spoons. these new industries are not “in addition” to existing jobs/industries – they replace existing ones.
November 30th, 2009 at 10:47 pmWhich supports they are not a myth, even if they replace jobs that end up being phased out because of technology, they are still jobs. When jobs are sent over seas, we still need jobs here. Green jobs are not the save all, but they are an important part of replacing jobs lost.
November 30th, 2009 at 10:50 pmLisaRenee Says:
“Green jobs are not the save all, but they are an important part of replacing jobs lost.”
Through redistribution of wealth – socialism.
December 1st, 2009 at 5:21 amIf that is socialism, then most of our US industries that have received bailouts and grants are socialist. An important part of this missed is many of these grants are not the complete amount needed. If any of these were true “socialism” then the complete amount needed would be provided by the government.
I know you don’t like the alternative energy field for reasons of your own Not Again, but even companies like BP are exploring alternative energy programs. Just one link as an example.
December 1st, 2009 at 9:17 amCarty Finkbeiner endorsed him ?????
That is like the Kiss of Death !
December 1st, 2009 at 9:21 amBack to the topic of Fisher – I was told yesterday that Bell was there and the Blade article on this press conference has a picture of Bell as well as is reporting that Bell endorsed Fisher too, which makes me wonder why he wasn’t listed on the release.
December 1st, 2009 at 9:31 am