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		<title>By: Chad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 06:40:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A Dark day for our country and especially for our children and grandchildren who will have to pay off this debt!

Nancy Pelosi will go down as the worst House Speaker in history!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A Dark day for our country and especially for our children and grandchildren who will have to pay off this debt!</p>
<p>Nancy Pelosi will go down as the worst House Speaker in history!</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 13:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m so excited, I can&#039;t wait to tell my children how, just like social security and medicare, here is another program they can expect to pay into thier whole lives but can not count on for it to be available for them in their golden years and how they can then burden thier children with the bill but no benefit.

What else can we model after the super successful programs of social security, medicare, and medicaid?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m so excited, I can&#8217;t wait to tell my children how, just like social security and medicare, here is another program they can expect to pay into thier whole lives but can not count on for it to be available for them in their golden years and how they can then burden thier children with the bill but no benefit.</p>
<p>What else can we model after the super successful programs of social security, medicare, and medicaid?</p>
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		<title>By: toledojim</title>
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		<dc:creator>toledojim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 00:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you all really think this is such a great bill? Unemployed people and other poor people will have a lot of trouble paying for their insurance, no matter what plan they are in. According to Section 224 (p. 118) 18 months after the bill becomes law, the Secretary of Health and Human Services will decide what a &quot;qualified plan&quot; covers and how much you&#039;ll be legally required to pay for it. 

On Nov. 2, the Congressional Budget Office estimated what the plans will likely cost. An individual earning $44,000 before taxes who purchases his own insurance will have to pay a $5,300 premium and an estimated $2,000 in out-of-pocket expenses, for a total of $7,300 a year, which is 17% of his pre-tax income. A family earning $102,100 a year before taxes will have to pay a $15,000 premium plus an estimated $5,300 out-of-pocket, for a $20,300 total, or 20% of its pre-tax income. Individuals and families earning less than these amounts will be eligible for subsidies paid directly to their insurer.

That&#039;s a lot to pay, even for people who are working. This bill is a disaster waiting to happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you all really think this is such a great bill? Unemployed people and other poor people will have a lot of trouble paying for their insurance, no matter what plan they are in. According to Section 224 (p. 11<img src="http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/wp-content/plugins/wp-smiley-switcher/noktahhitam/icon_cool.gif" alt="" /> 18 months after the bill becomes law, the Secretary of Health and Human Services will decide what a &#8220;qualified plan&#8221; covers and how much you&#8217;ll be legally required to pay for it. </p>
<p>On Nov. 2, the Congressional Budget Office estimated what the plans will likely cost. An individual earning $44,000 before taxes who purchases his own insurance will have to pay a $5,300 premium and an estimated $2,000 in out-of-pocket expenses, for a total of $7,300 a year, which is 17% of his pre-tax income. A family earning $102,100 a year before taxes will have to pay a $15,000 premium plus an estimated $5,300 out-of-pocket, for a $20,300 total, or 20% of its pre-tax income. Individuals and families earning less than these amounts will be eligible for subsidies paid directly to their insurer.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a lot to pay, even for people who are working. This bill is a disaster waiting to happen.</p>
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		<title>By: LisaRenee</title>
		<link>http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/2009/11/seiu-applauds-historic-house-of-representatives-vote-on-health-insurance-reform/#comment-345823</link>
		<dc:creator>LisaRenee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 20:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe, I found this one part interesting, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.courthousenews.com/2009/11/07/House_Passes_Historic_Health_Bill_With_Pro-Life_Amendment.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;  &quot;I just don&#039;t think its right to mandate that you have to have health insurance or you might go to jail,&quot; Texas Republican Joe Barton said.&lt;/a&gt;.

I sourced that, because it seemed pretty outrageous, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.politico.com/livepulse/0909/Flout_the_mandate_penalty_Face_the_IRS.html?showall&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;(link)&lt;/a&gt; and while it was a discussion in the Senate, in reading the complete bill:

SEC. 59B. TAX ON INDIVIDUALS WITHOUT ACCEPTABLE HEALTH CARE COVERAGE.

      `(a) Tax Imposed- In the case of any individual who does not meet the requirements of subsection (d) at any time during the taxable year, there is hereby imposed a tax equal to 2.5 percent of the excess of--

            `(1) the taxpayer&#039;s modified adjusted gross income for the taxable year, over

            `(2) the amount of gross income specified in section 6012(a)(1) with respect to the taxpayer.

This would technically mean if a person did not pay the required tax, they would be in violation of the law and if it was deemed a felony, as opposed to a misdemeanor, the maximum penalty is five years in prison...This does not take affect until 2012, and it hasn&#039;t passed the Senate, but I was surprised it hasn&#039;t gotten more attention since basically those who can&#039;t afford health care would have to pay the additional tax, and paying the additional tax does not pay for health insurance.  Which I suppose it could be argued for some, it would be cheaper to pay the 2.5% income tax penalty as opposed to buy health insurance.  

Further research is needed as to where that 2.5% penalty would go...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe, I found this one part interesting, <a href="http://www.courthousenews.com/2009/11/07/House_Passes_Historic_Health_Bill_With_Pro-Life_Amendment.htm" rel="nofollow">  &#8220;I just don&#8217;t think its right to mandate that you have to have health insurance or you might go to jail,&#8221; Texas Republican Joe Barton said.</a>.</p>
<p>I sourced that, because it seemed pretty outrageous, <a href="http://www.politico.com/livepulse/0909/Flout_the_mandate_penalty_Face_the_IRS.html?showall" rel="nofollow">(link)</a> and while it was a discussion in the Senate, in reading the complete bill:</p>
<p>SEC. 59B. TAX ON INDIVIDUALS WITHOUT ACCEPTABLE HEALTH CARE COVERAGE.</p>
<p>      `(a) Tax Imposed- In the case of any individual who does not meet the requirements of subsection (d) at any time during the taxable year, there is hereby imposed a tax equal to 2.5 percent of the excess of&#8211;</p>
<p>            `(1) the taxpayer&#8217;s modified adjusted gross income for the taxable year, over</p>
<p>            `(2) the amount of gross income specified in section 6012(a)(1) with respect to the taxpayer.</p>
<p>This would technically mean if a person did not pay the required tax, they would be in violation of the law and if it was deemed a felony, as opposed to a misdemeanor, the maximum penalty is five years in prison&#8230;This does not take affect until 2012, and it hasn&#8217;t passed the Senate, but I was surprised it hasn&#8217;t gotten more attention since basically those who can&#8217;t afford health care would have to pay the additional tax, and paying the additional tax does not pay for health insurance.  Which I suppose it could be argued for some, it would be cheaper to pay the 2.5% income tax penalty as opposed to buy health insurance.  </p>
<p>Further research is needed as to where that 2.5% penalty would go&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: MikeyA</title>
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		<dc:creator>MikeyA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 20:14:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This bill is D.O.A.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This bill is D.O.A.</p>
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		<title>By: MICHAEL L. FRIEDMAN</title>
		<link>http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/2009/11/seiu-applauds-historic-house-of-representatives-vote-on-health-insurance-reform/#comment-345813</link>
		<dc:creator>MICHAEL L. FRIEDMAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i have not felt this proud of my party since 1964 and 1965, when LBJ put thru voting rights and medecare</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i have not felt this proud of my party since 1964 and 1965, when LBJ put thru voting rights and medecare</p>
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		<title>By: LisaRenee</title>
		<link>http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/2009/11/seiu-applauds-historic-house-of-representatives-vote-on-health-insurance-reform/#comment-345812</link>
		<dc:creator>LisaRenee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It should also be pointed out that not all Democrats supported the bill in the House, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.politico.com/livepulse/1109/Democratic_no_votes_.html?showall&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;link&lt;/a&gt; to list of names.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It should also be pointed out that not all Democrats supported the bill in the House, <a href="http://www.politico.com/livepulse/1109/Democratic_no_votes_.html?showall" rel="nofollow">link</a> to list of names.</p>
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		<title>By: LisaRenee</title>
		<link>http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/2009/11/seiu-applauds-historic-house-of-representatives-vote-on-health-insurance-reform/#comment-345811</link>
		<dc:creator>LisaRenee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe, much of it depends on what &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1109/29275.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Harry Reid&lt;/a&gt; does and then when the Senate changes the bill, if the House will agree...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe, much of it depends on what <a href="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1109/29275.html" rel="nofollow">Harry Reid</a> does and then when the Senate changes the bill, if the House will agree&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Not Again</title>
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		<dc:creator>Not Again</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 18:29:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No way it goes through the senate.  This is dead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No way it goes through the senate.  This is dead.</p>
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		<title>By: MICHAEL L. FRIEDMAN</title>
		<link>http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/2009/11/seiu-applauds-historic-house-of-representatives-vote-on-health-insurance-reform/#comment-345804</link>
		<dc:creator>MICHAEL L. FRIEDMAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 16:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THIS IS A GREAT DAY FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE...I JUST HOPE IT GOES THRU THE SENATE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THIS IS A GREAT DAY FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE&#8230;I JUST HOPE IT GOES THRU THE SENATE</p>
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