Open Thread Thursday….
For those of you who want to discuss something among yourselves today that’s not been covered recently on the blog, here’s your chance to raise it in the comments and see if fellow readers want to join in.
As always the rules are simple, if more than one topic is broached, make sure your comment is addressed to the topic you are interested in.
Patrick W:
July 22nd, 2010 at 9:46 am
Only 103 days until the big midterm elections. In Ohio, it looks like Kasich and Portman have slight edges as of now. I don’t think any polling is out on OH-9, but I think Marcy will likely win with a comfortable margin. Any thoughts on Ohio or the national scene with the election quickly approaching?
Dave:
July 22nd, 2010 at 10:08 am
I don’t usually get worked up over murders in Toledo but my initial reaction was to give the death penalty to Bucher’s killer…I still think that. Since he confessed, the news medis ahouldn’t label him “alleged”…they should call him “the killer” or something like that.
Jackie:
July 22nd, 2010 at 10:14 am
As in independent voter I am totally uncommitted at this time. I may not be happy with the present administration in our state but I remember who brought us to this party. I am not willing to give them a second chance to ruin again our state. So I will have to wait till someone sells me their story and I believe them.
I’m sorry Dave I do not believe in the death penalty. If it is wrong to kill it is wrong to kill. I realize I am not where most of the people are but I have felt this way for decades.
MARTY BAGS:
July 22nd, 2010 at 10:41 am
Kasich will lose to Strickland, if his being so out of touch with NW Ohio is any indication of how he is treating cities outside of Columbus, he will not get any support.
http://www.toledoblade.com/article/20100722/NEWS09/307229984
Going to NW Ohio and saying ‘we need to get that woman a job’ then telling Jim Seney about how you support building intermodal rail between Columbus and the Ohio River shows a total loss of touch with our community. What is the woman looking for a job supposed to do? Move to Columbus and get a job laying track?
Kaptur vs. Iott? If Iott gets 29% of the vote, it could be considered a WIN.
I give Sarantou an even money chance for County Comissioner, and will be pulling for him.
Patrick W:
July 22nd, 2010 at 11:04 am
I think Kasich and Strickland will be very close. I am pulling for Kasich, but I could see Strickland winning. I think Iott will do better than 29%, but will not win. I think he will get between 35 and 40 percent. The earmark thing could hurt Marcy, and he has money to exploit it. Portman and Fisher seem to be very close. Probably too close to call, but polls have Portman up very slightly. Nationally, all signs are leading to significant Republican gains, including a few house seats in Ohio.
MARTY BAGS:
July 22nd, 2010 at 12:04 pm
Patrick, The whole ‘earmark’ thing is nothing but a PR stunt. Please tell me a single district in this country that doesn’t want their representatives to help bring money back to their constituents. As long as there are rules, the wealthy and well connected will find loopholes to exempt themselves from them. There is an entire industry called ‘accounting’ devoted to this very purpose.
Patrick W:
July 22nd, 2010 at 12:32 pm
I understand, Marty. I was just trying to say that Iott is certain to try to gain some political points on the connections between the earmarks and that company that provided campaign contributions. I don’t know if there is any substance to the story, but I think that the issue will be exploited. In a very anti-Washington year, I think he can get 35-40%. I still think that Marcy will stay in office. I am interested in governors races across America. Redistricting takes place next year as a result of the census. Real Clear Politics currently estimates that there will be 35 Republican governors, 14 Democrats, and 1 Independent. 35 governors of any 1 party sounds like a lot. I am not sure how often that has happened before. We’ll see how it all turns out.
MICHAEL L. FRIEDMAN:
July 22nd, 2010 at 1:44 pm
THE TEA BAG MOVEMENT IS GOING TO HURT ANY CHANCE OF REPUBLICAN GAINS IN EITHER THE HOUSE OR SENATE. CONWAY WILL WIN IN KENTUCKY AND REID WILL TAKE NEVADA, BOXER WILL WIN IN CALIFORNIA CRIST WILL WIN IN FLORIDA AND TURN DEMOCRATIC
SensorG:
July 22nd, 2010 at 2:12 pm
Does anyone know where I can get a Marcy sign? I didn’t see any place on her web site.
thanks -SG
MARTY BAGS:
July 22nd, 2010 at 2:28 pm
Sensor, I want one too!
–Patrick: These days the issue that is bigger than the war (which did NOT end once Obama took office) is jobs.
Iott LOST jobs via Foodtowns closing, without even being in office. Anything that shows Kaptur bringing money into the region will help. Kaptur giving money to people in this region, even if some of it is kicked back to her campaign, is a true example of Trickle Down Economics.
If you want to really research where money goes, look to see how much money your precinct captains, and council people spend online vs. Brick & Mortar stores in their districts. I know this is not out there yet, but with all of the cries of ‘responsibility’ it soon may be.
SensorG:
July 22nd, 2010 at 2:48 pm
What strikes me that Iott (and may other Republicans running for office) are promising to never bring a federal dollar (‘no big checks’) back to our district. How does this help us?
Doug:
July 22nd, 2010 at 2:59 pm
“Kaptur giving money to people in this region, even if some of it is kicked back to her campaign, is a true example of Trickle Down Economics.”
No. It is redistribution not TDE. TDE is when you don’t tax the hell out of the money makers and allow the money makers to spend thier money on products and services, things that have value to the person the money comes from. What you are describing is theft, the taking of money to give to someone else with no compensation or choice to the giver. Don’t try to spin this in any other way than what it is. Evil.
Doug:
July 22nd, 2010 at 3:11 pm
SensorG,
It’s called doing the right thing even if it is unpopular. Integrity used to be a quality we looked for in a leader and I hope we will again. Supporting someone for the chance that you might get some bread crumbs at the end of the day seems shallow and dishonest. I would like to see someone actually try help build us up that we wouldn’t need money from other places brought into here and that we would be fighting to keep our money instead of happy that we have a good begger.
Patrick W:
July 22nd, 2010 at 3:16 pm
I think we all agree that Iott is not going to win. Jobs are the main issue, which I think we can all agree on as well. He has the money to get a message out. Whether anyone buys his message is another story. Most of Marcy’s opponents have been total no-names with no money. Even with the earmarks the Toledo area lags way behind most of the country in economic development. I am certainly not saying Iott could fix all of this, but something somewhere needs to change. I think that whoever the next governor is will have a greater influence on the Toledo economy that whoever the next representative is. We already know what the economy in Toledo under Strickland is like. I think Kasich would do better.
MICHAEL L. FRIEDMAN:
July 22nd, 2010 at 3:18 pm
SENSORG….YOU CAN GET MARCY SIGNS AS MANY AS YOU WANT FROM DEMOCRATIC PARTY HEADQUARTERS…1817 MADSON AVE….CALL BEFORE YOU GO DOWNTOWN..419-246-9301.. THE HAVE ALOT OF SIGNS AND PLEASE TAKE ONE FOR HARRY BARLOS, IF YOU LIVE IN HIS DISTRICT..
THANKS
Patrick W:
July 22nd, 2010 at 3:22 pm
Lower federal taxs so money stays at the local level in the first place would be much better than hoping that your representative can get their hands on some pork. If there is substance to the earmark story and Marcy was getting pork in order to get campaign contributions then every honest person in her district should vote agains her. It is immoral and obviously isn’t helping NW Ohio much, considering the unemployment rate. If there is no substance to the story, then hopefully Iott will be honest and leave it alone.
stinger82:
July 22nd, 2010 at 3:24 pm
Well said Patrick and Doug.
I like Marcy however she really upset me when she ducked public discourse on the health care issue. I thought that the importance of that issue would have been evident to her and that she would have made herself more available to the public. When she spent the time and effort to make the trip to Poland yet didn’t make time for public debate she really soured me.
SensorG:
July 22nd, 2010 at 3:29 pm
So how does Iott do that? In the mean time every other congressman (including Bob Latta) are getting earmarks for businesses and infrastructure in their districts to create and lure jobs, while Iott would take a hands off approach to our district?
Republicans have been some of the biggest offenders of the earmark system. If anything I fault Marcy for not bring more back into the district.
SensorG:
July 22nd, 2010 at 3:56 pm
People keep beating the “taxes are too high drum”, but Federal taxes are at a near 50 year low AND while we’re at it, unionization is at a near 50 year low (1/3 of what it was in 1945).
These are the two things that conservatives keep griping about, but they are both a fraction of that they were in the 40s, 50s or 60’s. Shouldn’t the economy be at its 50 year best?
Doug:
July 22nd, 2010 at 4:03 pm
SensorG,
I’m not sure if your responding to what I wrote or Patrick but I have no idea if Iott would do what he says he will. His handling of Foodtown isn’t exactly what I consider qualifications of a good candidate. Republicans and/or Democrats both need to start becoming a solution to the problem and not another cog in the wheel. I think it is a sad and depressing mentality to believe that a good representative is one that can take the most money. Sorry if I can’t join you and put on the golden chains of a welfare society, I plan to oppose it in any way I can. I’m tired of shaking hands with the devil and wondering why I keep getting burned.
SensorG:
July 22nd, 2010 at 4:09 pm
I don’t think the government investing infrastructure, research or education is welfare.
Patrick W:
July 22nd, 2010 at 4:19 pm
Calling runaway defecit spending “investing” is dishonest at best. Tack interest onto the amount borrowed from China and the debt is even bigger. Unfortunately, there are some major offenders on my side of the aisle. Ted Stevens and Thad Cochran are two of the worst. Two wrongs don’t make a right. John Mccain has never accepted 1 earmark. For as much as I think he falls short of being a true conservative, he is exactly right on this issue. Earmarks clearly haven’t worked for Toledo. 12% or more unemployment.
SensorG:
July 22nd, 2010 at 4:37 pm
First thing, earmarks average around $20 billion per year. A drop in the bucket compared to the federal deficit. The bulk to today’s federal debt, verses the surplus projected under Clinton are the result of Bush era tax cuts and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Add to that less tax revenue because of the recession and you have your deficit.
The Asshole Lawyer:
July 22nd, 2010 at 5:03 pm
Crime and murder up.
Jobs and economic development down.
And yet the City Counsel is busy debating the passage of a non-binding, irrellevant, ineffective “resolution” for comprehensive national immigration reform. Form over substance, and a waste of time. Time = money.
Thank you Mr. Mayor for voting NO. Counsel get to work on issues you can effect.
TAHL
Doug:
July 22nd, 2010 at 5:29 pm
SensorG,
Infrastructure is good investment but I don’t hear much of anyone investing in infrastructure, it’s all about job creation lately. Research is questionable as by taxing companies, government is stealing private research money. Education is not welfare, I agree.
Mariner:
July 22nd, 2010 at 5:39 pm
100% agree with post #22. As far as earmarks and pork into NW Ohio, our current Representative was dealing with mostly Republican Presidents who didn’t seem to have a lot of interest investing in a Democratic, largely union area. For the eight years of a Democratic President, (Clinton) our Representative choose to argue and condemn, (ie: Nafta and Monica)so that once again NW Ohio came out short. If this has been intelligent representation, then the losers perspective continues…
SensorG:
July 22nd, 2010 at 9:00 pm
“Infrastructure is good investment but I don’t hear much of anyone investing in infrastructure,”
Kind of the point of the “Stimulus” passed last year. Several roads around here were upgraded. It should have been twice as large as it was. Toledo could use a new sewer system and Point Place could use a new levy. Both great infrastructure projects that could people to work and modernize Toledo’s infrastructure.
I’m always amazed at Roosevelt’s public works projects when I visit the Toledo zoo or go camp Miakonda and see everything that got built during the depression.
Patrick W:
July 22nd, 2010 at 9:01 pm
Sensor,
Discretionary spending is up over 80% under Obama. He will surpass the total debt of the Bush years this year or next. It really isn’t hard to figure out why debt is bad. Earmarks may be a small piece of the puzzle, but we have to start somewhere. Let’s not forget that Marcy voted for Cap and trade, which would destroy what’s left of Toledo. Not to mention, shuffling money around does not improve the environment. She deserves to lose based on merit, but she will likely win.
Patrick W:
July 22nd, 2010 at 9:07 pm
Sensor,
#27 is the dumbest thing I have ever seen you post. It should have been twice as large? You have to be smarter than that. There have been 3 million jobs lost since the passage of the stimulus. More spending=more job loss. If it was twice as large that number would likely have been 5 or 6 million. The stimulus is a total failure. The government must take out of the economy in order to put into it. That is why large government spending has never worked. All it does is create huge debt and market dislocations. Very easy stuff to understand.
LisaRenee:
July 22nd, 2010 at 9:59 pm
On discretionary spending – Politifact and if you want to take the time to delve into historical numbers…the White House.
Doug:
July 22nd, 2010 at 10:49 pm
“The government must take out of the economy in order to put into it.”
Great line, pure truth.
Patrick W:
July 23rd, 2010 at 7:51 am
Thanks for the links, Lisa. I believe discretionary spending has gone up since the January Politifact article. Increasing spending while tax receipts are way down is only something an economic illiterate like Obama would do. Ireland was just downgraded by Moody’s last week. We are on our way if nothing changes.
Patrick W:
July 23rd, 2010 at 7:56 am
Marcy has supported all this madness! Health care, cap and trade, the failed stimulus…etc. Burying children in $40,000 debt the minute they are born is not compassionate. Our unfunded liabilities are approximately $100,000,000,000,000. $100 Trillion is an incomprehensible amount of money. We do not live in a fantasy world where we can spend as much as we want. The laws of economics do apply to us.
SensorG:
July 23rd, 2010 at 8:39 am
“The government must take out of the economy in order to put into it.”
- not technically true – it’s debt driving the spending, not new taxes.
Hate to burst your bubble, but it’s not new spending that is driving the deficit. It’s two wars, the Bush’s tax cuts and decrease intake of tax dollars due to the recession.
http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/06/chart-of-the-day-reminder-the-deficit-youre-freaking-out-about-is-bushs-fault.php
BTW – I’d take “fiscal conservatives” more seriously if talked about cutting military spending or if they came up with some plan on how to actually pay for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Has there ever been a time in American history that we fought a war (two wars no less) and lowered taxes?
Republicans want extend Bush’s tax cuts, but have no way of paying for it. They hold off extending unemployment insurance because they demand that the $20 billion be offset by cuts somewhere else, but won’t say how they will offset over $3 trillion the tax cuts will cost over the next 10 years.
Patrick W:
July 23rd, 2010 at 10:03 am
Sensor,
Tax cuts increase revenue. They only take away from revenue for a very short period of time. Reagan nearly doubled revenue to the federal gov in the 80’s and slashed the upper marginal rate from 70% to 28%, later bumping back up to 32%. Debt also takes away from the economy by weakening the dollar and driving up interest rates. Interest rates are being held artificially low right now and the dollar is being propped up by the weak Euro. There will be a day of reckoning, and it will be very ugly. I guess Marcy might not understand all of this since she has either been a college student or a bureaucrat her entire adult life. I am a fiscal conservative and openly support closing military bases in places like Germany, Denmark, and many other places to bring down the defense budget. The rate of increase of the military budget must also be addressed.
Jackie:
July 23rd, 2010 at 10:16 am
It is a fact that when President Clinton left office this country had a surplus. Eight years later we had a huge deficit, 2 wars not funded, and a recession. This was under President Bush and for 6 years a republican congress.
Add to that the almost complete failure of the auto industry and related businesses, the housing bubble burst and we are in the midst of the biggest recession I have ever known. But for the social network for our society I truly believe it would be a depression.
It was the auto industry failures that has led to Toledo unemployment losses and I think the true unemployment figure is higher than 12%. Any time you put all your eggs in one basket failure is sure to follow.
This country for 2 years had needed a “jobs” program. Without jobs that pay wages that a family can live on we will never recover. Whether that takes tax cuts or deficit spending – I don’t care. Just get our people working again and our economy will improve.
SensorG:
July 23rd, 2010 at 10:21 am
Couple of things –
Reagan also gave us one of the largest tax increases as well.
And federal revenues rose 80 percent in dollars from 1980 to 1988. Once corrected for inflation and population growth, both of which tend to make revenues grow regardless of tax policy, real revenues per capita grew only 19 percent over the same period.
It grew at at 41% under Clinton.
Again taxes and union membership are at a 50 year low…why isn’t the economy at it’s 50 year high? Why isn’t federal tax revenue at a 50 year high?
Like it or not even Republicans admit extending the Bush tax cuts will cost $3-4 over the next decade.
TheAssholeLawyer:
July 23rd, 2010 at 12:17 pm
Sensor:
What is your source for the claim that taxes are at a 50 year low?
Tax cuts don’t COST anything. A cut in taxes, despite what the President claims, do not need to be funded.
A tax cut allows citizens – including corporate citizens – to keep more of their money. That money is in turn invested into the economy, which increases overall federal tax revenue. This fact has been proven by history, time and time again.
An across the board tax cut is the best way to stimulate the economy, at any level.
TAHL
GetItRight:
July 23rd, 2010 at 12:27 pm
Maybe you think it’s lame Lisa, but I speak fact. Ask anybody who worked with Friedman at the 180th about the blowjobs he’d get in his office. And how he loved sharing his wife with others. The guy’s in no position to judge.
A) that has no bearing on my blog or me – B) if that’s really true than you or some of your friends who would supposedly confirm this should have brought it up when he ran the first time or the last time – C) I’m fond of my husband so swingers don’t appeal to me. Assuming that I agree with his comments is a stretch, he posts the things he does at his own peril and if you were interested in actually contributing to the discussion….you’d be participating at that level. I’m not protecting him in some special manner, if you wrote some of the things you did about anyone I’d not post them.
Patrick W:
July 23rd, 2010 at 12:32 pm
Jackie,
you are right on about the auto industry. Let’s take the next step and look at why the auto industry failed. The UAW insists on outrageous legacy costs that no competetive business can afford. This drives up the cost of American made vehicles while driving down quality. Add this to ridiculous workplace rules like forklifts not being able to cross certain lines and other stupid policies and we see the result. Addtionally, being on a wage scale rather than everyone’s performance being evaluated individually reduces incentive and brings everyone down to a lowest common denominator. If we want to compete with India and China then unions must either be put in check or go extinct. Sensor- Can you name the Republican policy that brought the housing and banking industries to their knees? I can tell you that the community reinvestment act and fannie mae are largely responsible for this. Both of which were started by Democrats. Here is a link to a 2003 NYT article about how Bush was trying to reform Fannie and Freddie. Chris Dodd and Barney Frank never allowed this to happen. http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/11/business/new-agency-proposed-to-oversee-freddie-mac-and-fannie-mae.html?sec=&spon=&pagewanted=print
SensorG:
July 23rd, 2010 at 1:05 pm
TAHL –
“Tax cuts don’t COST anything.”
Cutting taxes is deficit spending too. If not, then cut everyone’s taxes to 1% and government coffers would be over flowing right? Heck the wars would pay for themselves.
Top marginal rates -
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=213
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxfacts/displayafact.cfm?Docid=161
Depending on your tax mix between capital gains and income during the late 80’s (88-89) you might have paid a couple of less bucks in taxes.
I stand by might assertion that taxes are at a 50 year low. Union membership is at a near 50 year low as well, again – why isn’t the economy humming?
Patrick – who controlled congress in 2003?
Jackie:
July 23rd, 2010 at 1:27 pm
“Tax cuts don’t COST anything.”
Tax cuts cost the same as program increases. They affect the bottom line.
There are easy fixes to most of the state, city and country’s financial problems, i.e. raise the amount SS is paid on, raise some taxes a small amount, cut programs across the board 3%, etc. The problem is fixed financially easily. It is the political risk no one is willing to take.
It is a known fact, and I’ll check where to find this, that taxes are at a 50 year low and the numbers tell you about union membership. When I went to work in the 50’s the highest tax rate was 90%. Yep, that is right 90%. And we still had a wealthy class in this country.
TAHL:
July 23rd, 2010 at 1:41 pm
I was not arguing that Sensor G is wrong about the tax rate, I am curious about the source.
PLEASE, don’t cite me a blog. If that was effective I could cite my own blog.
Patrick W:
July 23rd, 2010 at 2:26 pm
Sensor,
Do you know what the Laffer Curve is? If so, then you would know that no one supports a 0% tax. Both a 0% tax and a 100% tax produce 0 revenue. The Laffer curve helps determine the balance of taxes and revenue. There is an upper tax rate limit that anything beyond it stunts growth and reduces revenue. There is also a lower limit where if taxes are cut below it, then it harms revenue. There is more analysis that goes into it, but that is the framework. Mr. Laffer currently has a propsal for an 11.5% flat tax that would produce more revenue than is currently produced. Jackie, I agree that the answers are not so complicated. We may not agree on how to get there, but the process should be simple. Normal citizens like us don’t have interest groups to answer to. That is why politicians always claim that problems are so complex. They have a lot of contributors to keep happy
Patrick W:
July 23rd, 2010 at 2:31 pm
Did anyone read the NYT link that I posted? You will never hear Keith Olberman or any other libs on MSNBC or the networks talk about how Bush fought to regulate Fannie and Freddie. He knew a major problem was bubbling. I think history will be more kind to Bush than the media was during his presidency.
SensorG:
July 23rd, 2010 at 2:44 pm
I posted two links from the combined work of the Urban Institute and the Brooking institute. They’re just reporting numbers, no spin.
Jackie:
July 23rd, 2010 at 2:50 pm
Patrick W 43
I agree with your. As someone who worked in finance their entire business life I know the financial fixes are easy. It is the political risks no one is willing to take.
We should be able to sit down at the table and come to a conclusion that would be the best for our country, city, or state. It may not be easy but it has to be done if we are going to survive and prosper.
Jackie:
July 23rd, 2010 at 2:52 pm
Patrick W 43
I agree with you. As someone who worked in finance their entire business life I know the financial fixes are easy. It is the political risks no one is willing to take.
We should be able to sit down at the table and come to a conclusion that would be the best for our country, city, or state. It may not be easy but it has to be done if we are going to survive and prosper.
You do not need a blue ribbon panel to study this. Just bring in some citizen with business knowledge who really care about our government. Dream on…….
MARTY BAGS:
July 23rd, 2010 at 5:19 pm
Not going to comment on every jot and tittle, but #33 was about where I got motivated to post again.
“Burying children in $40,000 debt the minute they are born is not compassionate.”
That has NOTHING to do with Marcy Kaptur and is a lie made by the Tea Partiers…
Using that same logic, when Clinton left office, and there was a surplus, I didn’t see anyone running out to announce that because of Marcy Kaptur our children would be born with a few pence in their pockets.
How did we get in this mess? We invaded Iraq becasue we could not find Osama Bin Laden and needed to do something to shore up morale.
In 10 years Iraq and Afghanistan will likely be nicer than here, that’s where all of our money is going.
DBforever:
July 23rd, 2010 at 6:17 pm
Look around…what has Kaptur done for you after 28 years?!! It’s worse! Toledo keeps getting what it votes for. We deserve better. Look at all of the new solor panel companies..notice where they are located— WOOD COUNTY!! Wake up. You are getting what you voted for for 28 years…a big bunch of nothing …and even with these so called earmarks..I think the jokes on you.
Kaptur should not be playing favorites with her contributors. She’s supposed to be looking out for the best interests of ALL of her constituents – and their pocketbooks. It is time for ALL of Washington to quit picking the winners and the losers in our economy.
Google “Iott + earmarks”…good reading.
DBforever:
July 23rd, 2010 at 6:19 pm
Congress has an astounding 11% job approval rating. Remember the Ted Kennedy seat…I say anything is possible in this climate—even OH9. BTW…there is much on the internet for those who want to attempt to comprehend and understand how we’ve been had.
It’s just finally catching up.
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp&q=iott+%2B+earmarks&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=C0KJElw9KTPSOJ4qINoWGvaoNAAAAqgQFT9Cjxno&fp=295bf931b1283a2e
Mariner:
July 23rd, 2010 at 7:16 pm
Marty let’s not forget the Hussein boys especially those delightful offspring: Uday and Qusay.They had vowed revenge against our Bush family and without intervention that pursuit would have gone on for years. Messy business, but necessary so as not to need to deal with it later. Afghan was a major grower of poppy and reflects the continued war against drugs.It’s a pity none of those strategies have been successful thus far.
LisaRenee:
July 23rd, 2010 at 7:43 pm
DB – the University of Toledo and many of the solar projects at their incubator are not in Wood County…not to mention the fact that Kaptur has done a lot for our community in the past 28 years and will continue to do so. I’ve not yet seen any credible reason to even consider replacing her with a freshman Republican.
Jackie:
July 23rd, 2010 at 8:15 pm
I have a question. Who are the 11% who approve of Congress?
LisaRenee:
July 23rd, 2010 at 9:41 pm
Maybe Congress members or their relatives Jackie
DBforever:
July 23rd, 2010 at 9:54 pm
Lisa…Anxiously Look forward to reading that list of things Kaptur has done for us in her 28 years. I see no credible reason to keep her in! She is completely out of touch. Love the Porker of the month Award and You Tube on Marcy just released today.
BTW…A very good article which addresses both Reps and Dems and their “Ruling Class Mentality”. It’s in American Spectator:
http://spectator.org/archives/2010/07/16/americas-ruling-class-and-the
Kind of explains how those (of both parties) who spend most of their time in the cocoon of DC have a perverted idea of how REAL LIFE is.
Again…await that 28 year long list of Marcy’s big accomplishments.
LisaRenee:
July 23rd, 2010 at 10:05 pm
All you have to do DB is Google “Marcy Kaptur Accomplishments” – it’s easy and fairly well known by most but just for you – a few of the more well known ones:
DBforever:
July 23rd, 2010 at 10:10 pm
One more reading assignment for those who are able to sleep at night after getting a big dose of bad news. This is 100% nonpartisan and all of the facts are referenced with clickable documentation. It’s much shorter than the other.
Sweet Dreams: “40 Bizarre Statistics That Reaveal The Horrifying Truth About The collopse of the US Economy:
http://thetruthwins.com/archives/40-bizarre-statistics-that-reveal-the-horrifying-truth-about-the-collapse-of-the-u-s-economy
this censored blog seemed to have crossed out the last part—more horrification… sure you are all smart enuf to find on your own..maybe some think we shouldn’t know(?)
DBforever:
July 23rd, 2010 at 10:52 pm
Granted — WW II memorial located in Washington DC. That is good. But I mean for the people of NW OH specifically…not copy and paste articles on what committees she was on. You have a lot of words Lisa, but I don’t see specifics for NW Ohio that she has advanced our living standard here in NW Ohio? as in bringing companies here. I mean ones that don’t need our money to be a faux biz.
Appreciate specifics. Thanks! I do know she is a member of the Liberal Democratic Progressive Caucus and I see you speak of a role she had in the Middle East. Are you aware of her role as part of the Hamas 12?
I think after 28 years we can all kind of see where we are now—worse off. Downtown Toledo over the past 28 years for example. I’m sorry but after 28 years to only sponsor 7 or 8 bills?! I don’t think you want to go down that union (jobs) road either. Just my opinion.
Just seems like Toledo is worse and even more of a joke. Check Kaptur out on the Bill Maher show on You Tube..wow! And her hate for Capitalism with Michael Moore!– NO WONDER NO COMPANIES ARE LOCATING HERE> Maybe someone should enlighten Kaptur as to the fact that Capitalism means jobs. Or maybe she’s just out to lunch at Tortilla Coast.
DBforever:
July 23rd, 2010 at 10:54 pm
Granted — WW II memorial located in Washington DC. That is good. But I mean for the people of NW OH specifically…not copy and paste articles on what committees she was on. You have a lot of words Lisa, but I don’t see specifics for NW Ohio that she has advanced our living standard here in NW Ohio? as in bringing companies here. I mean ones that don’t need our money to be a faux biz.
Appreciate specifics. Thanks! I do know she is a member of the Liberal Democratic Progressive Caucus and I see you speak of a role she had in the Middle East. Are you aware of her role as part of the Hamas 12?
I think after 28 years we can all kind of see where we are now—worse off. Downtown Toledo over the past 28 years for example. I’m sorry but after 28 years to only sponsor 7 or 8 bills?! I don’t think you want to go down that union (jobs) road either. Just my opinion.
Just seems like Toledo is worse and even more of a joke. Check Kaptur out on the Bill Maher show on You Tube..wow! And her hate for Capitalism with Michael Moore!– NO WONDER NO COMPANIES ARE LOCATING HERE> Maybe someone should enlighten Kaptur as to the fact that Capitalism means jobs. Or maybe she’s just out to lunch at Tortilla Coast
LisaRenee:
July 23rd, 2010 at 10:56 pm
I suggested you google, it’s out there, and I provided an example, if you are really interested in learning her accomplishments, they are easily accessible.
DBforever:
July 23rd, 2010 at 11:10 pm
Heres one!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwhW1FvJGZc
MICHAEL L. FRIEDMAN:
July 23rd, 2010 at 11:52 pm
LISA, THANK YOU FOR POSTS 52 AND 56….TO ADD ABOUT THE 180TH FIGHTER WING, SHE NOT ONLY GOT US THE F-16, AND A FEW NEW MISSIONS, BUT ALSO SAVED THE 180TH FW FROM THE BRAC NOW THAT IS A CONGRESS PERSON TO BE PROUD OF, MR IOTT SOLD HIS DADS COMPANY DOWN THE RIVER AND COST ALOT OF PEOPLE THEIR JOBS
AND YES, LETS NOT FORGET ABOUT ROGER DURBIN.
MR IOTT NEVER SERVED A DAY OF ACTIVE DUTY, AND I STILL TO THIS DAY, NEVER RECALLED HEARING ABOUT HIS MILITARY UNIT, AND THAT IS AFTER SPENDING 41 YEARS OF MILITARY SERVICE BOTH ACTIVE DUTY AND OHIO ANG, HOW DARE HE PUT ON A BOMBER JACKET AND FLASH IT ON TV, AND CALL HIMSELF A FULL BIRD COLONEL…..
Patrick W:
July 24th, 2010 at 11:14 am
I think that local policy is more to blame than Marcy for Toledo’s problems. Toledo’s living wage policy, strong union presence, and poor leadership are major deterrants for new companies considering locating in the area. Why is Bass Pro in Rossford? Probably because of the living wage policy that almost kept Costco out. No businessman wants to locate in a strong union town either. There is no sense in volunteering to be shaken down. Marcy has voted for runaway defecits, cap and trade, and health care. All of these things are bad for Toledo and bad for America. She deserves to lose, but I don’t know if Iott is the right man for the job. He will certainly have more cash than any of her previous opponents. My guess is Marcy 60%, Iott 40%. It would be nice if a Toledo news outlet would do some polling
DBforever:
July 25th, 2010 at 6:54 pm
MICHAEL FRIEDMAN SAID:
MR IOTT NEVER SERVED A DAY OF ACTIVE DUTY, AND I STILL TO THIS DAY, NEVER RECALLED HEARING ABOUT HIS MILITARY UNIT, AND THAT IS AFTER SPENDING 41 YEARS OF MILITARY SERVICE BOTH ACTIVE DUTY AND OHIO ANG, HOW DARE HE PUT ON A BOMBER JACKET AND FLASH IT ON TV, AND CALL HIMSELF A FULL BIRD COLONEL…..
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Well, after 41 years in the Air Guard, you’d think that Mr. Friedman would be able to tell a “bomber jacket” from an A-2 Flight Jacket which is commonly worn by military AND civilian pilots. You would also think he’d know that the wings and logo are those of the Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association (AOPA, not the military. And as for Mr. Iott’s state military commission, that is a matter of public record. BTW, did you know that he is also a graduate of the USAF Air War College? Or maybe you think that is a sham outfit, too?
MICHAEL L. FRIEDMAN:
July 25th, 2010 at 7:35 pm
DB FOREVER….COME ON NOW….I MUST HAVE HIT A NERVE, LETS NOT SPLIT HAIRS, OK I SHOULD HAVE SAID FLIGHT JACKET, I STAND CORRECTED. I AM SURE THAT IF HE WAS REQUIRED TO GO TO THE MID EAST, HE WOULD SELL OUT HIS COUNTRY JUST LIKE HE SOLD OUT THE WORKING PEOPLE OF SEAWAY FOODTOWN….DB, WHAT I MEAN IS HE WOULD GIVE UP SOME OF HIS BIG BUCKS NOT TO GO
DBforever:
July 25th, 2010 at 9:57 pm
Nerve? How about accuracy…you Liberal Socialists remember that word? or HONOR? INTEGRITY?
What a lame response your entire email is and EVERYBODY’S GONNA KNOW IT! THANKS FOR “OUTING YOURSELF”! I COULDN’T HAVE MADE YOU LOOK ANYMORE IGNORANT THAN YOU HAVE DONE YOURSELF, SIR. THANKS FOR MAKING IT EASY FOR ME!!LOL.
LisaRenee:
July 25th, 2010 at 10:09 pm
It wasn’t an e-mail it was a blog comment if we are going to focus on accuracy and…
Let’s not go off topic into an exchange between the two of you. The whole debate as to Iott’s military ranking was covered in great length – here during the primary for those of you interested in reading the opinions expressed then.
MICHAEL L. FRIEDMAN:
July 25th, 2010 at 11:12 pm
LISA, TRUST ME IM DONE,LETS STAY ON TOPIC, AND MAY I ASK MR DB, HOW MUCH ACTIVE DUTY HE HAS.. I HAVE 4 YEARS, PLUS 37 ANG, THATS A WEEKEND A MONTH AND 37 ANNUAL TRAININGS OF TWO WEEKS AWAY FROM MY GROWING FAMILY, AND I WOULD DO IT AGAIN….LISA….IM DONE WITH THIS TOPIC
DBForever:
July 28th, 2010 at 1:46 pm
LOL…You assume I am male because I know more about flight jackets MICHAEL FRIEDMAN?
Check out my past posts.
You are quite wrong…sir!